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Jul 16, 2021 9:54 AM CST
Name: John Wagner
Virginia Beach, VA (Zone 8a)
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Hi! New to the NGA and been browsing around and chatting here and there. I love roses! Planted several in my garden over years past. Unfortunately, because of faulty attitude and neglect I lost all of them. This year I have gotten back into gardening and am working to replace the roses I lost. I've learned a ton on YouTube video channels this year about gardening. Wow! Was I ever ignorant! My old attitude basically was: "I plant it and if it grows it grows, if not it dies." I know, stupid! This year I have a whole new mindset about gardening. And I am having way more fun!

My favorite rose is the climber 'America'. I had three in the past that were beautiful, but alas, died. I looked for new ones this year but no one locally carried it. Online everyone was sold out except Heirloom Roses. I've never bought a rose on line, and never knew about 'own root roses'. But I tried it because I wanted the 'America' rose back in my garden.

I ordered two. They came and were the spindliest and most anemic roses I've ever seen! But I planted them. They leafed out, and the spindliest one started growing. The other simply sat there. Then, Mr. Spindly put on two flower buds. Yesterday one bloomed and today the other one bloomed! And the color is beautiful! I am one happy camper. Thought I'd share a couple of pictures.
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The blooms are proportional to the size of the plant. They are very small, maybe two inches across, but gorgeous!

And oh, by the way, the other bush has started growing too!
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Jul 16, 2021 10:46 AM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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Welcome to the rose forum John. Your photos of America are gorgeous. You mentioned that the size of the roses were a little smaller in size. This is not unusual with temps in the 90's. Sometimes, because of the high temps the color of roses may change slightly - more intense. I have Fragrant Cloud, one of the parents of America. Fragrant Cloud's color ranges from orange to reddish orange depending on the temps.
Are you planning on acquiring any other roses?
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Jul 16, 2021 11:10 AM CST
Name: John Wagner
Virginia Beach, VA (Zone 8a)
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Yes, I plan to replace three Queen Elizabeth roses for my center island flower bed. That bed had two Rhapsody Clematis in the center, and three sections of Irises. Will probably get one Iceberg rose to go between my two white azaleas. I have a hole between them now because of an Austrian Pine that died and that I had taken out this year. Also thinking about getting another America rose for the other end of my patio.

I don't think the heat has anything to do with the size of the flowers right now. I'll post a picture of the plants when I got them in early June, and now. They are very little plants!
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I'm ok with the size of the blooms because of the size and age of the plants. The blooms are great for a six weeks old own root plant
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Jul 16, 2021 11:21 AM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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One thing I forgot to mention, if you find it's getting too hot for your newly planted roses, you can shade them with something like a lawn chair. Yes, Iceberg is nice. I planted it last year in a darker corner of my garden - the white color really brightened up that area and brought attention to the other roses in that section of the garden.
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Jul 16, 2021 11:34 AM CST
Name: John Wagner
Virginia Beach, VA (Zone 8a)
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Both of the little 'America' roses are getting some shade from the Aspen trees in the same bed with them. I was originally worried that they might get too much shade and not bloom. Not worried any more! And I think the dappled shade that they are getting is actually helping them through this heat. I planted two Golden Showers climbers in the front this spring. One is in a shadier side of the bed. Again, I was a little worried at first, but again, no more. the blooms on the bush in the shade hold their color longer and don't open as fast as the bush in the full sun. I had Golden Showers in my garden in Colorado and they were great! Planted here in Virginia they seem to also be doing very well! One was planted in May and the other in June. Canes on both bushes are 5' and thick and strong...and growing! Now if I could just keep the Japanese Beetles off of them it would be really great!
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Jul 16, 2021 12:03 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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I think Golden Showers is fantastic - love it - and it's shade tolerant. The Japanese Beetles like my Midas Touch. I wonder why they are attracted to yellow roses??? Some people have had success using Milky Spore, others use grub control such as Merit. And yet others, merely drop the beetles into soapy water.


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Your garden sounds beautiful!
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Jul 16, 2021 12:59 PM CST
Name: John Wagner
Virginia Beach, VA (Zone 8a)
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I tried to get ahead of the JB this year. I started using the Bayer 3 in 1 fert/insect/fungicide this year. So far, I haven't had any problem with black spot. And that usually defoliates my roses by now. The fertilizer (9-14-9) has really given a major boost to my knockout roses. They have been in the ground for 6 years and have never gotten beyond ankle height. I kept threatening to take them out but my wife always says to give it another year. This year we took out a Bradford pear that was near them, and started fertilizing them regularly. Just this year they have gone from ankle high to over knee high! So I tried to put a systemic insecticide in my roses before the bugs came on. And I go out a couple times a day to knock the JB into soapy water. I've gotten about 20 - 25 so far. Overall, that's not really too bad. I see they try once or twice to eat my knockout roses but don't do much damage. May be the result of the systemic insecticide. Hopefully they will go away soon.
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Jul 16, 2021 3:26 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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It certainly seems you have everything under control. Enjoy your garden - wishing you a million blooms.
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Jul 16, 2021 4:24 PM CST
Name: John Wagner
Virginia Beach, VA (Zone 8a)
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Thank you! Thank You!
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Jul 17, 2021 7:19 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 6b)
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John, I have a "small" collection of roses compared to some of the members here; I only grow about 125 of them, but I love to buy roses from Heirloom, and I have two Americas...

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Jul 17, 2021 8:19 PM CST
Name: John Wagner
Virginia Beach, VA (Zone 8a)
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Mike, I thought those were Americas when I saw them! Beautiful, very beautiful! My garden isn't big enough to hold that many, but right now I have 7. Next year I will add 5 more for sure. I like your profile bio. I too build my garden around the 'bones' of 1. Azaleas, 2. Roses, 3. Irises. The bloom starts with my Japanese Maples that leaf out first, followed by the azaleas, then the Irises. Then it's time for the roses to enter the visual symphony! I have yet to add the statuary to my garden. Next year I hope to add my first taller figurine. I especially enjoyed the picture of the part of the garden that had the hedge all around it. It made me think of my garden. I wanted to plant a hedge around the perimeter to hide the wooden privacy fence. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. But I admire yours.
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Jul 17, 2021 8:42 PM CST
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It sounds to me, John, like we will need pictures.
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Jul 19, 2021 10:06 AM CST
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Jul 19, 2021 10:18 AM CST
Name: Michelle B
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Lovely roses, John!
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Jul 19, 2021 4:30 PM CST
Name: John Wagner
Virginia Beach, VA (Zone 8a)
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My first two little roses on the own root 'America' roses I ordered from Heirloom Roses were beautiful! I am so happy with having this rose back in my garden!
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These blooms were only about 2" across, but because the plant itself is so small yet they were perfectly proportioned!

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My plan is to train one up the black trellis and out to cover the horizontal lattice. The other one, that is planted at the base of the arbor, will be trained up the arbor. As long as the canes are supposed to get if they intermingle I will be happy with that!
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Jul 19, 2021 5:56 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 6b)
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Be patient; Heirloom's roses take a couple of years to really take off since they are grown on their own roots rather than grafted, and that goes for climbers like 'America,' as well. As the old saying goes, "The first year they sleep... the second year they creep... and the third year they leap!"
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Jul 19, 2021 6:02 PM CST
Name: John Wagner
Virginia Beach, VA (Zone 8a)
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Mike, Thanks. You're right about patience. Will keep watch. I'm happy so far. The one on the arbor is just now beginning to grow. So I'm enjoying the ride. Enough progress to know they are alive and happy. Thumbs up
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Jul 19, 2021 6:08 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 6b)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Photography Roses Bulbs Peonies
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I buy roses from Heirloom or High Country Roses for one of two reasons: (1) I plan to grow the rose where it is particularly exposed to New York's harsh winter elements (wind, sunburn), knowing that if the canes die back, new canes will emerge true to the root's cultivar; or (2) I plan to grow the rose in a relatively protected space, but cannot find a grafted version of the rose, and thus buy the rose on its own roots from Heirloom, High Country, or in some cases Roses Unlimited.
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Jul 19, 2021 6:25 PM CST
Name: John Wagner
Virginia Beach, VA (Zone 8a)
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I found Heirloom Roses by searching for nurseries selling 'America'. Heirloom was the only one that had it in stock. Although, very pricey! But I wanted it and was willing to pay for it. One of the people working at the local nursery suggested High Country Roses because she used to run a nursery in Colorado. And we used to live in Colorado.

I've been watching High Country Roses ever since. They too were out of 'America'. But they have better prices, although their roses are in smaller pots. Don't know how much smaller a rose bush can get than the ones I got! But...Looking for an Iceberg rose for next year to fill a hole between two white Azaleas. And possibly either an Iceberg or another America for the other end of my patio.

Planted two Golden Showers climbers in my front garden that are growing like a house afire! They are already 5' tall and growing! Plan on adding a Yellow rose between them (4-5' tall). Any suggestions?

That bed will then get finished off with two shorter Azaleas out front.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:55 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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GardensJohn said:

Planted two Golden Showers climbers in my front garden that are growing like a house afire! They are already 5' tall and growing! Plan on adding a Yellow rose between them (4-5' tall). Any suggestions?





I like South Africa (grafted). I know it's listed as orange but in my garden in full sun it appears to be a rich deep yellow color. What I really like about it is, it retains it's yellow color for a very long time. I have 2 grafted and one own root - the grafted ones do much better. - more vigorous.
Golden Fairy Tale (grafted) is another rose I enjoy.
In general I have found the Kordes roses from 2002 to date do very well here in Long Island.
I bought both from Palatine's Roses. https://palatineroses.com/root...
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