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Jul 16, 2021 5:31 PM CST
West Kingstown, RI
I've posted this one before, and got mixed opinions, none of them too confident. So I figured id try again. This tree is in the neighbors yard of a woman i work for, and hangs over into her yard in Providence, Rhode Island. Neither of them know what the tree actually is but it is super cool. In the few years ive been around this tree i have never seen it flower or fruit. I doubt its native, tho i could easily be wrong about that, i only say so because i have never seen another in my life that i know of. The property it is on is quite old (1880s?) so im sure the tree was planted quite a long time ago. I appreciate any guess/ideas, confident or not.
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Jul 16, 2021 6:00 PM CST
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Maybe a hornbeam?
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Jul 16, 2021 6:01 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
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Has anyone guessed Mulberry?
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Jul 16, 2021 6:38 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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This looks to be a duplicate post for identification of the same tree on The thread "what is this tree?" in Plant ID forum from August 2020 and Morus (Mulberry) was suggested as the identity on that thread.
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Jul 16, 2021 7:27 PM CST
Name: Kelly
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My guess is one of the Tilia species. Common names basswood, linden, lime.

EDIT … after reading all the posts from Aug. 2020 I have to agree with Morus sp. of some sort.

OP, break off a leaf and see if there is a thin milky sap. If so, that makes it Morus sp.
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Jul 17, 2021 1:05 AM CST
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What is so very strange is why a tree of this size has not produced any flowers/fruits.

Morus rubra..trees can be either male or female.
less often it is monoecious (male and female flowers on the same tree).
If tree is a male there would still be catkins...male flowers...but no fruit.
If female there would still be flowers.
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Jul 17, 2021 10:45 AM CST
West Kingstown, RI
And you see why i consider this a challenge! I will look for the sap next time im over there and update
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Jul 17, 2021 10:48 AM CST
West Kingstown, RI
But has anyone seen a Basswood or Mullberry growing all twisty like this? Its so cool, when the thin branches fall off i pick them up and put them in vases and such for decoration, they are all consistently S curved
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Jul 17, 2021 11:14 AM CST
Name: Sue
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zachww1014 said:But has anyone seen a Basswood or Mullberry growing all twisty like this? Its so cool, when the thin branches fall off i pick them up and put them in vases and such for decoration, they are all consistently S curved


It's a characteristic of the 'Unryu' mulberry, aka contorted mulberry, that was mentioned in the earlier thread.

http://www.missouribotanicalga...
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Jul 18, 2021 8:27 AM CST
West Kingstown, RI
Yes it was, that seemed like the most likely candidate i just wanted to try again to see if i got any new info
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Jul 18, 2021 8:30 AM CST
West Kingstown, RI
I just texed the lady who lives there and asked her to look for the sap, we'll see
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Jul 18, 2021 8:47 AM CST
West Kingstown, RI
Also I've just found this etsy post that looks very much like it, and apparently there is a fruitless variety: https://www.etsy.com/listing/6...
Contorted Mulberry looks like the winner but i will still update when i find out about the sap. And thanks to everyone for their efforts!
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Jul 18, 2021 10:30 AM CST
Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
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It was a Mulberry last year, when we requested more images to narrow the choices of which one.

It is a Mulberry this year, with more/better images; thank you for those. For those wishing to precisely ID these kinds of plants, look past the gross features like leaves, and note the more basic elements like buds, branch characteristics, lenticels, bud scars, leaf scars, etc. Those are NOT confusing, but you have to notice them.

Learn (if you don't already know) what Mulberry flowers look like - which are quite different from other types of plants, and not particularly colorful. On a tree this large - and of an unusual selection - the flowers may only occur up in the crown out of view. They do drop eventually, and then they can be evident on the ground.

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Please provide the additional detail, if you really want a final answer. The contorted branches are very much an indicator of the selection 'Unryu', and I'm certain you can search online to find many images of this characteristic.

http://www.missouribotanicalga...
https://landscapeplants.oregon...
https://www.chicagobotanic.org...
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Jul 18, 2021 10:54 AM CST
West Kingstown, RI
Thanks for the advice, it is quite tall so that could be true the flowers are at the top, ill keep a look out on the ground. Mullberry flowers late summer i believe?
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Jul 18, 2021 11:46 AM CST
Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
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No, they are late spring/early summer bloomers (end of April to early May here in central KY), and then fruit is maturing by early June and consumed rapidly by birds. Those flower photos were from April 28, 2010.

Morus alba and Morus rubra have overlapping bloom times here in Kentucky, as well.
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Jul 19, 2021 5:46 PM CST
West Kingstown, RI
Oh isee okay thanks!
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Jul 24, 2021 1:47 AM CST

porkpal said:Has anyone guessed Mulberry?


Do Mulberry's need another Mulberry to produce fruit? If not, that it could be, because the leaves look the same. We have them growing wild growing all over the place around here.
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Jul 24, 2021 12:01 PM CST
Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
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Mulberries can often have female (pistillate) flowers on separate plants from trees with male (staminate) flowers - but not always. So, it helps to know what those flowers look like to determine whether you will have fruit or not.

When you have wild growing seedlings all over, it's quite likely that you will have a mix of the male and female trees and there will be a lot of fruit for the foraging.
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Jul 25, 2021 4:13 PM CST
West Kingstown, RI
Haven't seen any seedlings thats for sure, I've been trying to root a cutting of this tree also with no success yet
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