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Jul 17, 2021 2:31 PM CST
Ocala, Fl Zone 9
Recently discovered wildflowers. i cleared a fairly large area app. 5,000 sq feet of grass and tilled soil. Dragged it flat and sowed a variety of wildflower seeds from Eden brothers.
All seemed well until recently. I have a huge variety of flowers and frankly cannot identify most of them . However I have butterflies, bees, birds etc. Absolutely best thing I could have done is get rid of my front lawn.

Problem is that some weeds/tall grasses are popping up amongst the wildflowers. i'd like to eradicate so they do not impede next years bloom. How do I do this?

I do know to mow down the meadow in the fall but the grasses will reappear. I am not a big fan of Roundup but i thought possibly when i mow down meadow spot treat the grasses. I cannot do that now as I will likely kill some flowers as well. To hand pull would be quite a task.

So how best to get rid of tall grasses and weeds interspersed with my flowers? Or does one accept the gasses as part of the ecosystem and let things be in spite of the fact that shorter flowers will be competing for sunshine?

Second question if i may:

I have a few pounds of seed left over and have cleared another several thousand square feet. I have read most wildflowers bloom within 90 days so Iam thinking if I sow now they will produce seed before first cold snap. Am I better off sowing in the fall? I thought possibly young plants would struggle in the Zone 9 florida heat. how should I proceed.?

Thanks for the help
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Jul 17, 2021 7:30 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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Welcome!

Weeds and grass are just part of a wildflower garden, especially the size of yours. I would try to manually pull the more obnoxious plants and let the rest co-exist with your wildflowers You will discover some wildflowers will do better than others and in a couple years, there will be dominate plants that out competed some of the more delicate ones. Your job will be to help some along by controlling others. I don't know what was in your wildflower mix but if in contained Yarrow, that will become one of the 'pull' plants.

Seeds are disppersed in fall and winter over. For some seeds, the winter over is important but others might become bird food. In new garden areas, I would toss the seeds out in the spring just the so the birds have less chance to eat them all. Smiling
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Jul 17, 2021 7:36 PM CST
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Hi & welcome! Your project sounds fantastic!

Check this out:
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Jul 18, 2021 6:49 AM CST
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Without having specific experience, I agree you would hand pull the things you think don't belong or have too much of. And sow in spring, I think, for the same reason.. I suppose spring comes pretty early there. Shrug! Congrats on a meadow Hurray!
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Jul 18, 2021 2:58 PM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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drjay44 said:i cleared a fairly large area app. 5,000 sq feet of grass and tilled soil. Dragged it flat and sowed a variety of wildflower seeds from Eden brothers.
All seemed well until recently. I have a huge variety of flowers and frankly cannot identify most of them . However I have butterflies, bees, birds etc. Absolutely best thing I could have done is get rid of my front lawn.

Problem is that some weeds/tall grasses are popping up amongst the wildflowers. i'd like to eradicate so they do not impede next years bloom. How do I do this?

I do know to mow down the meadow in the fall but the grasses will reappear. I am not a big fan of Roundup but i thought possibly when i mow down meadow spot treat the grasses. I cannot do that now as I will likely kill some flowers as well. To hand pull would be quite a task.

So how best to get rid of tall grasses and weeds interspersed with my flowers? Or does one accept the gasses as part of the ecosystem and let things be in spite of the fact that shorter flowers will be competing for sunshine?

Second question if i may:

I have a few pounds of seed left over and have cleared another several thousand square feet. I have read most wildflowers bloom within 90 days so Iam thinking if I sow now they will produce seed before first cold snap. Am I better off sowing in the fall? I thought possibly young plants would struggle in the Zone 9 florida heat. how should I proceed.?


If you could provide more information, we could provide better advise.
Like, what kind of seed? A mixed bag? A florida mix? This will help us to advise on whether to plant now or wait for the end of summer... Down in the deep south, we usually plant these things in the autumn... Spring is too late.

A pic of the bag... would help.

Second... I once saw a lady destroy a perfectly fine wildflower meadow, by tidying it to death.

a meadow is supposed to have native bunch grasses interspersed with the flowers, and many flowers look like weeds... Some don't produce flowers until autumn, and others don't bloom until the second or third year!

Good opportunity to start learning what plants you have.

Lose the word "weed" from your vocabulary, and start taking photographs of each unknown plant... start a thread in the ID forum and allow us to identify your plants.

Congrats on reclaiming your useless lawn! When are you going to start planting food?
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Jul 18, 2021 3:39 PM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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Also... Now is a good time to start thinking in terms of plant communities...

For instance many of those so-called "weeds" are actually valuable butterfly host plants... butterflies require specific plant families... take a caterpillar off the plant that it is on, place on a different plant... caterpillar starves, no butterfly!

Other "weeds" provide seeds for the local birds... I leave seed covered plants standing through the winter and enjoy the birds... Much better than filling those disgusting feeders...

Another important thing about plant communities... this is especially relevant when growing food.... the extra plants help to prevent infestations of pest insects... and even provide for the pollinators.
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Jul 18, 2021 7:41 PM CST
Ocala, Fl Zone 9
stone said:Also... Now is a good time to start thinking in terms of plant communities...

For instance many of those so-called "weeds" are actually valuable butterfly host plants... butterflies require specific plant families... take a caterpillar off the plant that it is on, place on a different plant... caterpillar starves, no butterfly!

Other "weeds" provide seeds for the local birds... I leave seed covered plants standing through the winter and enjoy the birds... Much better than filling those disgusting feeders...

Another important thing about plant communities... this is especially relevant when growing food.... the extra plants help to prevent infestations of pest insects... and even provide for the pollinators.



Seed is from Eden Brothers.com
Southeast wildflower mix,four o clock seed,forget me not seed,pollinator mix and globe gilia
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Jul 22, 2021 7:12 AM CST
Name: stone
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drjay44 said:

Seed is from Eden Brothers.com
Southeast wildflower mix,four o clock seed,forget me not seed,pollinator mix and globe gilia



Ok, I'd go ahead and plant some of this now.
Globe Gila and forget me not are grow through the winter type plants, and should wait, but 4 o'clock would be very happy planted now... your mixes... still need names...

I checked the site... " Red Corn Poppy, Coreopsis, African Daisy, Baby's Breath and more"... Doesn't tell much... Corn poppy is a cold season plant, African daisy is a hot season plant, and coreopsis could be either...

As they offer multiple pollinator mixes... I can't say...

But the problem with these mixes... is they often blend cool season plant seeds with the warm season seeds.... So... you plant some in the winter and some now and get different plants... and waste seeds that are planted at the wrong time.

With the very unusual weather this year... I'd plant as the soil is prepared.

I still want to see pictures!

Here's an agalinis... An autumn blooming locally native wildflower that is host to the buckeye butterfly... and is often the first thing lost from a wildflower meadow when people are weeding...
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looks like a weed...

in flower:
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Jul 22, 2021 7:22 AM CST
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drjay44 said:Recently discovered wildflowers. i cleared a fairly large area app. 5,000 sq feet of grass and tilled soil. Dragged it flat and sowed a variety of wildflower seeds from Eden brothers.
All seemed well until recently. I have a huge variety of flowers and frankly cannot identify most of them . However I have butterflies, bees, birds etc. Absolutely best thing I could have done is get rid of my front lawn.

Problem is that some weeds/tall grasses are popping up amongst the wildflowers. i'd like to eradicate so they do not impede next years bloom. How do I do this?

I do know to mow down the meadow in the fall but the grasses will reappear. I am not a big fan of Roundup but i thought possibly when i mow down meadow spot treat the grasses. I cannot do that now as I will likely kill some flowers as well. To hand pull would be quite a task.

So how best to get rid of tall grasses and weeds interspersed with my flowers? Or does one accept the gasses as part of the ecosystem and let things be in spite of the fact that shorter flowers will be competing for sunshine?

Second question if i may:

I have a few pounds of seed left over and have cleared another several thousand square feet. I have read most wildflowers bloom within 90 days so Iam thinking if I sow now they will produce seed before first cold snap. Am I better off sowing in the fall? I thought possibly young plants would struggle in the Zone 9 florida heat. how should I proceed.?

Thanks for the help












If the wildflowers are perrenials you can mow them every year or every other year? That mighthelp a bit. IDK about weeding though. Maybe find a native groundcover
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Jul 22, 2021 7:31 AM CST
Name: stone
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Incidentally... don't mow in the Autumn... Leave everything standing for winter interest, and as I mentioned... as food for the songbirds...

We cut the standing material in the late winter, just before growth begin
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Jul 22, 2021 7:32 AM CST
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I cut back my perrenials in early spring
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Jul 22, 2021 7:33 AM CST
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Also you might want to portion your meadow. I have a large flowebed that gets covered in maples eedlings every year. I section it off so every week I finish weeding a certain section/
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Jul 22, 2021 8:59 AM CST
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drjay44,
You have a big (and fun) learning curve ahead of you. Mistakes will be made, and this is normal for absolutely every good gardener.


- start a thread in the ID forum and allow us to identify your plants.
Yes, please do! But some clarification:
- Conversations get very confusing when multiple plants are involved.
Please start a different thread for each plant.
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Jul 22, 2021 1:46 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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You guys are making this way too hard. If I listened to all this, I'd never plant another mixed packet again ever.
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Jul 22, 2021 2:16 PM CST
Ocala, Fl Zone 9
I appreciate all the replies.
Clearly there is no "right way"
to create and maintain a meadow.
Some sites recommend cutting in fall and others recommend cutting 2 or 3 times in spring,fall and winter.

Same for panting as some seeds are recommended to plant in fall or spring on one site yet another reference says iylts ok to plant mid summer!!
I will just go with my gut.
Either way Im enjoying the experience
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Jul 22, 2021 2:24 PM CST
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drjay44 said:I appreciate all the replies.
Clearly there is no "right way"
to create and maintain a meadow.
Some sites recommend cutting in fall and others recommend cutting 2 or 3 times in spring,fall and winter.

Same for panting as some seeds are recommended to plant in fall or spring on one site yet another reference says iylts ok to plant mid summer!!
I will just go with my gut.
Either way Im enjoying the experience


Good idea, and good luck!!
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Jul 22, 2021 3:02 PM CST
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The different authors of the different advices are likely writing from different locations, combined with different wildflowers. In a different location, a same plant will likely behave differently. Everything about gardening is just like real estate, all about location, location, location.
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Jul 23, 2021 6:34 AM CST
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purpleinopp said:The different authors of the different advices are likely writing from different locations, combined with different wildflowers. In a different location, a same plant will likely behave differently. Everything about gardening is just like real estate, all about location, location, location.


Ditto... As someone gardening near you... I hoped that you were considering my suggestions in that perspective.

There are people that advise excessive cutting back, but please avoid listening to such suggestions.... wildflowers don't need or want that.

Wildflowers are best when left alone... You have a large enough area that you shouldn't need to be out there trying to create work for yourself!

Most of those people who have high maintenance gardens... don't have that many plants.
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Jul 23, 2021 7:42 AM CST
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Indigo bunting?
In my garden... I have clumps of wild grasses that grow 6 ft in height... their seeds are the only thing I've seen this guy show an interest in.

The cardinals are eating the 4 o'clock seed... I thinned out a few 4 o'clock and tossed them to the chickens... they also ate the seeds.

I have birds eating the goumi berries and elderberries... but I'm getting the deer berries for my pancakes.... I'd eat the other berries too... if I could get them away from the birds...

Sorry, maybe the wild bushes don't quite qualify as wildflowers... But... they count at my house.
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Jul 23, 2021 7:58 AM CST
Ocala, Fl Zone 9
Good points !!!
stone said:

Ditto... As someone gardening near you... I hoped that you were considering my suggestions in that perspective.

There are people that advise excessive cutting back, but please avoid listening to such suggestions.... wildflowers don't need or want that.

Wildflowers are best when left alone... You have a large enough area that you shouldn't need to be out there trying to create work for yourself!

Most of those people who have high maintenance gardens... don't have that many plants.

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