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Name: Gigi
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Jul 18, 2021 5:59 AM CST
I decided to repot one of my grafted adeniums that had just one bud. Having successfully repotted my new other adeniums with no trouble I was "emboldened" (bad idea Thumbs down ) to follow those videos of undoing the knot or stretching the roots and putting rocks (or styro) in between the adenium roots so they can breath and encourage developing big caudex. (You know those videos that show you how to do it and make it look really easy.) Whistling

In the process I broke not just one but 3 big roots (after I already trimmed the inside smaller roots). I had no choice but cut off what I broke (all roots Crying ) so as you can see, my adenium has totally no roots. I put cinnamon on the cut and it is sitting on a sanitized bottom of a styro cup. It has a dry fresh media.

My dilemma, do I trim the sides and apply rooting hormone or will this root without trimming the sides? Can I leave it the way it is now on the media or hang it dry? Do I remove all leaves (which I normally do but want to wait until spring to cut the stems) now or just wait for them to fall off? There is one bud, which per my experience will not reflower again until it is established. It is in the garage where it gets the heat minus the humidity when it rains.

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P.S. I will be back later had to save my Cattleya that has a black rot.
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Name: Gigi
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Jul 18, 2021 11:11 AM CST
paging @deepsouth @2manyplants? Any thoughts on my dilemma?

Update on the 2 that I had root pruned due to root rot.

1st one has half healthy roots below the soil, I removed the leaves but didn't cut the stems and now that bounced back fairly quickly with buds on the tips. (Will post better picture when it blooms)

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2nd this one had no roots below the caudex and just relying on "aerial roots" that I planted below the soil. I cut some of the stems that were long and the ones uncut are now starting to show growth.

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So that's why I wasn't sure if leaving leaves on adenium that has no roots is going to help it recover or make it harder to recover?

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Name: James
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deepsouth
Jul 18, 2021 4:48 PM CST
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i think this one is a loss ..... as a last ditch effort

dust the bottom of caudex with rooting hormone ...then set the caudex on top of a pot of sand ....

keep sand moist but not saturated ...

give it weeks ....dont look





Name: Gigi
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Jul 18, 2021 6:13 PM CST
Uh oh! I thought This one is responding well.. it has now baby leaves sprouting and the stubs have baby tips growing. I have only been misting the exposed roots and have not watered it yet because it does get misted when it rains.

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I haven't disturbed it since planting.

@deepsouth I try so hard to pretend that it doesn't exist so I am not tempted to dig it up.
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Name: Walt Foss
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Jul 19, 2021 1:38 AM CST
[quote="GigiPlumeria"]I decided to repot one of my grafted adeniums that had just one bud. Having successfully repotted my new other adeniums with no trouble I was "emboldened" (bad idea Thumbs down ) to follow those videos of undoing the knot or stretching the roots and putting rocks (or styro) in between the adenium roots so they can breath and encourage developing big caudex. (You know those videos that show you how to do it and make it look really easy.) Whistling

In the process I broke not just one but 3 big roots (after I already trimmed the inside smaller roots). I had no choice but cut off what I broke (all roots Crying ) so as you can see, my adenium has totally no roots. I put cinnamon on the cut and it is sitting on a sanitized bottom of a styro cup. It has a dry fresh media.

My dilemma, do I trim the sides and apply rooting hormone or will this root without trimming the sides? Can I leave it the way it is now on the media or hang it dry? Do I remove all leaves (which I normally do but want to wait until spring to cut the stems) now or just wait for them to fall off? There is one bud, which per my experience will not reflower again until it is established. It is in the garage where it gets the heat minus the humidity when it rains.

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Gigi,
The good news is you are starting with a very healthy plant (no rot). The plant will root better if you carve the edge off the circumference of the base and apply rooting powder mixed with fungicide powder, but it will also root without this. Hopefully the base has calloused since you kept the base dry. You won't be loosing much momentum if you rework the base and repot it.

Defoliate most of the leaves (75%) from the bottom as there are no roots to support so many leaves. If you can sacrifice your single bloom that would help direct a little more energy to the plants recovery.

It's important to create a tight union between the plant's bottom and the styrofoam. You've got a nice fork in the branches which can be used to tie down the plant snug in the pot. I think that that would be helpful here.

Name: Gigi
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GigiPlumeria
Jul 19, 2021 7:29 AM CST
Thank You! Did it early this morning and just pulled it out of the pot and letting it enjoy the morning sun. Then will most likely just air dry in the garage for a week just to be sure. Cut looks healthy so far!
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Name: Gigi
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Jul 20, 2021 7:59 PM CST
@deepsouth I got a bloom on the big adenium with the fuzzy leaves! Is this an arabicum then?

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Can I resume watering a little bit more now? I have only been spraying the base when the top soil mix is dry and letting it drink a little more today because we had been having 90's and no rain for the last 3 days. This gets morning sun (no overhead sun). It has a lot of buds, the most buds I've seen on this one.

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©by Gigi Plumeria "Gardening is my favorite pastime. I grow whatever plant that catches my attention." Plumeria Photos http://www.flickr.com/groups/c... plant photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/g...
Name: Gigi
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GigiPlumeria
Jul 20, 2021 8:26 PM CST
Here is picture of the leaves before I defoliated it
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The seedlings have more lighter green color fuzzy leaves

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©by Gigi Plumeria "Gardening is my favorite pastime. I grow whatever plant that catches my attention." Plumeria Photos http://www.flickr.com/groups/c... plant photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/g...
Name: Gigi
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Jul 21, 2021 8:46 PM CST
GigiPlumeria said:paging @deepsouth @2manyplants? Any thoughts on my dilemma?

Update on the 2 that I had root pruned due to root rot.
2nd this one had no roots below the caudex and just relying on "aerial roots" that I planted below the soil. I cut some of the stems that were long and the ones uncut are now starting to show growth.

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So that's why I wasn't sure if leaving leaves on adenium that has no roots is going to help it recover or make it harder to recover?



Update: This is seedling grown (no visible graft lines). Here are pictures of the beautiful deep red blooms. This is very hard to propagate via cuttings and has never produced a seedpod.
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Name: Walt Foss
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Jul 21, 2021 11:58 PM CST
Gigi,
Plant #1 looks like he came through well and is now going through its bloom cycle. I'd consider letting it bloom which probably means not pruning until early spring. It would be cool if some roots appear from the foot on the rock as you could train them over. Since the foot is in the air you might notch (tiny V) the circumference where you would like to see a root form and dab some root stimulator on the notch.
Since it had rot I would water it and #2 with some Cosan 20 fungicide (or equivalent) as a preventative measure soon and then again when it starts to get cold.

Plant #2 is adorable and it's trying to make it. You can see the tips barely poking out, but it looks like it had a harder time with your procedure.
A caudex stump can produce new roots if all of the rot was extracted. Planting air roots in "soil" may be dangerous, but I'm not sure because I've never done it with adeniums. (Help on this from someone).
If it has no roots it's important to provide it an easy medium to grow new roots into. I believe that James recommended sand which is less prone to foster rot and easy on new roots.
No roots makes it hard to provide stability. I would tie it down gently but firmly so that the plant feels secure.
I'm a big fan of rooting powder and fungicide when treating rot.
Bright indirect light or early morning light would be best for weeks and keep it moist but not wet (like a cutting).

#2 reminds me of one of my Arabicum seedlings with a beautiful darker pink flower that developed root rot. I had to cut 70% of the caudex off. The plant tried to callous but the loss of tissue was so large that it sucked into itself forming a convex bottom. I worried about leaving an air pocket so I planted it in an inorganic mixture of sand and fine coco peat. The poor little thing has made 2 attempts to leaf out only to fail from lack of roots. After 1 year of babying this plant I think that it's going to make it!
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It's rooted enough to support a small amount of leaves, but the recovery has been painfully slow.

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Here is a picture of a same aged sibling for comparison.
Name: Gigi
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Jul 22, 2021 6:51 AM CST
Thank You! Walt, that helps me navigate with my tricky mishaps of these 2 babies I've owned since 2015.

Lesson learned in #2, do not heavily prune root and cut stems at the same time. To borrow (@drdawg's phrase, which I agree based on his observation of middle plumeria cuttings ) "It is trying to do two things at once so it has a harder time of recovery." I should have could have left the stems intact, just remove some leaves. But i didn't know any better and now more sprouts or tips are coming up and I am confident it is going to make it. The air root is an experiment worth taking since I felt like I had nothing to lose. I think the bottom caudex is developing roots as well, which could later on be trained.

I have just been misting both (letting #1 drink a little bit more) with water mixed with hydrogen peroxide.

My daughter and I prayed over these 2 that God will put his healing hand on both and they will bloom again. I think our prayers are getting answered!
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Name: Walt Foss
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Jul 22, 2021 9:21 PM CST
Amen!
Can't wait to see #2 next year!
Name: Gigi
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Jul 27, 2021 5:03 PM CST
Redid and tied this up. Removed the majority of the leaves. Seems ends have calloused and no visible rots. (Hopefully non, where I can't see it.)
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I repotted in a smaller pot on Sunday with 40% sand and perlite (that is all I have). I watered it once (mixed with hydrogen peroxide).
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If this will recover it will have a bruise, I accidentally scraped its skin. I'm not going to worry about it for now. Sand and perlite is moist. Hopefully it will not rot. The caudex seems dehydrated.

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Name: Gigi
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Jul 27, 2021 6:16 PM CST
Surprisingly I didn't need a lot of cuttings from my "MD adenium#6" to graft to this W seedling. This seedling looked like someone attempted to graft this (see middle part) and the graft was not successful. So I applied water resistant wood glue to the end cut to avoid future rot
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This second one, I decapitated this seedling thinking I could make this look bonsai and successfully rooted the top separately. It left a big ugly gouge on the top part of the caudex. My plan is to find a bigger branch to graft back to this cavity once. Meantime, I had extra "graft cutting" so I grafted this to my seedling. My graft cuttings were pencil size to slightly bigger so I only used super glue to attach them.

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If graft will hold my plan is to remove this grafted stem since it has its own long aerial root and plant separately.
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Name: Gigi
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Jul 28, 2021 8:24 PM CST
Update on my adenium that rotted, nicknamed "Chickie" (shape of caudex reminds me of whole dressed chicken"). It seems to me that not cutting the top stems helped it recover faster.

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I will wait to get the rotted part, root trained until next spring when it is fully recovered. I am just glad to see it bloom.

©by Gigi Plumeria "Gardening is my favorite pastime. I grow whatever plant that catches my attention." Plumeria Photos http://www.flickr.com/groups/c... plant photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/g...
Name: Gigi
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Aug 2, 2021 3:57 PM CST
Ok, update on "Chickie". This is the most blooms I ever had on "Chickie". It took a root rot to see it fully bloom! She is a beauty!

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Is it safe to say she is fully recovered and I can resume normal watering?
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Name: Walt Foss
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Aug 3, 2021 8:43 AM CST
Gigi,
I think so. It's been weeks.
Chickie looks glorious.
Nice save!
Name: Gigi
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Aug 3, 2021 7:24 PM CST
Thank You! Walt, James and others for helping me save Chickie. I love how gorgeous she is!
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Name: Gigi
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Aug 21, 2021 6:13 AM CST
Adenium members any advice on this for @jfan? Any update on your adenium would also help.
Jfan said:Hello, I live in Tucson Arizona and have had this adenium for about three months. It began drooping not long after I bought it at a farmers market (in May) .At first it was getting morning sun for a few hours and watering three times a week. The last three weeks I've changed it's location to getting full sun and watering almost every day but there's no change. What can I do?
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Aug 21, 2021 6:46 AM CST
GigiPlumeria said:Adenium members any advice on this for @jfan? Any update on your adenium would also help.


I can not see any big problem with the adenium, is the concern is the leaves are dropping or the plant is bending ?
What I can suggest:
- May need to revisit the watering regime, too much water is not good for the plant, only water them when the soil is dry.
- New plant may experienced some stress in new location with different temperature, sun light and water exposure
- When acquired a new plant, I will suggest to keep in a bright shady place without direct sunlight and no water for 3 to 5 days, then gradually increase the exposure to sun and water
If they look healthy, do nothing

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