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Aug 15, 2021 2:02 PM CST
Redondo beach, Ca
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Hi,

This Dwarf avocado was planted in the ground ~3wks ago. My mom says we should cut the brown/dried looking tip but it does have a couple of (droopy, brown) leaves. Should we?
Also, the person we bought it from had covered the graft site with a plastic bag, How long do we keep it wrapped?

Thank you much from this novice gardener. =)

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Aug 15, 2021 4:59 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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Welcome!

Can you take a photo of the graft with plastic bag? And a photo of the entire tree? I think your greater issue is the health of the graft. If the graft is failing, you won't save any of the top. I would never buy a tree grafted this season.
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Aug 15, 2021 11:43 PM CST
Redondo beach, Ca
Thank you, Daisy! This forum is amazing, I've been stuck down this rabbit hole reading for a few hours now. 😄
This is the only pic of entire plant I have on my phone but will take a closer pic of graft tomorrow. There were 2 grafts actually but when my mom planted it, the other one broke. 😩

Forgive my ignorance but why would this be a good time to buy a grafted tree? Really helpful info to know! 😊
Thank You!

DaisyI said: Welcome!

Can you take a photo of the graft with plastic bag? And a photo of the entire tree? I think your greater issue is the health of the graft. If the graft is failing, you won't save any of the top. I would never buy a tree grated this season.



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Aug 16, 2021 11:29 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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What I meant was, the graft is too new. Whoever sold you the tree shouldn't have sold it this year at all. In a year it will either be a happy healthy tree or a dead tree. The seller passed that responsibility off to you so if the tree dies, its your fault. There are no rules or laws saying a seller can't sell a newly grafted tree but as a buyer, I would have passed it by.

Where are these two grafts located?
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Aug 16, 2021 9:14 PM CST
Redondo beach, Ca
Ooh, got it. Wish I'd known that before the purchase but at least now i know, thanks to you. Lesson learned!

I've attached a picture of the graft. The other one that broke off was at the same level on the other side.

DaisyI said:What I meant was, the graft is too new. Whoever sold you the tree shouldn't have sold it this year at all. In a year it will either be a happy healthy tree or a dead tree. The seller passed that responsibility off to you so if the tree dies, its your fault. There are no rules or laws saying a seller can't sell a newly grafted tree but as a buyer, I would have passed it by.

Where are these two grafts located?



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Aug 16, 2021 10:18 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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I have bad news... all the black stem above and below the graft is dead. The live parts are the green stems. I'm still having a hard time visualizing the whole tree so I'm not sure how much tree is left but I suspect the answer is the green bottom part.

I really don't understand why someone would graft that high on the trunk but I've seen it done with Japanese Maples. The problem in my mind is the amount of trunk left to grow rootstock branches. That may be what you have left.

What does the tag say?
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Aug 17, 2021 6:45 AM CST
Redondo beach, Ca
Sad The tip of then graft still looks green but below it, it does look black. What should I do?

I attached the pic of the whole tree with the graft circled, it is actually low on the trunk, not sure if my other pic was just confusing? The white plastic bag was still it covering it in the pic.
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Any tips for how I should keep on taking care of the tree? Also, the this part, should I cut off? It looks brown and all dried but has that leaf.
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Really appreciate you taking time to answer my questions. Smiling

DaisyI said:I have bad news... all the black stem above and below the graft is dead. The live parts are the green stems. I'm still having a hard time visualizing the whole tree so I'm not sure how much tree is left but I suspect the answer is the green bottom part.

I really don't understand why someone would graft that high on the trunk but I've seen it done with Japanese Maples. The problem in my mind is the amount of trunk left to grow rootstock branches. That may be what you have left.

What does the tag say?
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Aug 17, 2021 10:51 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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What does the tag say?

I thought the patch in photo #5 was the graft you were talking about. What it that spot?

Photo #7, all I can see it a post with some plastic sticking out behind.

Can you remove the post and take more photos from a couple directions?

Like I said, black stems are dead, green stems are alive. As to what is above or below the graft? I haven't figured out where the graft is.
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Aug 17, 2021 7:57 PM CST
Redondo beach, Ca
Here are new pics I took, hopeit gives a clearer picture of the graft.
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My other question was whether to cut off the brown and dried part all the way to the tip?


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Also, this is the tag:

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Appreciate your patience! Thank You!
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Aug 17, 2021 9:48 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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I have no idea what the guy who sold you the tree was attempting to do but both the graft sights are dead. Grafts are not on side branches, they are on the main trunk. Luckily, it looks fine.

Cut off both those grafted branches back to green stem. All the dark stem is dead.
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Aug 18, 2021 1:05 AM CST
Name: Zoë
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Maybe they were grafting different varieties onto one tree, like those gimmick apple trees?

The other part you're asking about is the tip of the leader. That end leaf is dying and the wood below it does not look good. You can do as Daisy advised and cut it back to green but with a pruned leader and all that bottom growth, your tree is likely to grow more like a shrub than an upright tree.

Since it's relatively new (unless you kept it in the nursery pot for a long time before planting) I'd return it. Did the person who sold it to you tell you they had done some experimental grafting on it?
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Aug 18, 2021 6:41 AM CST
Redondo beach, Ca
Thank you guys for all your help and advice. I'll do that ASAP, prune the tip of the leader (glad I know what is called now) and I guess hope for the best. Crossing Fingers!

It'll grow more like a shrub?? Yikes. Is bearing fruit not in its future too then? Sad
The seller only casually mentioned the graft when I picked it up, not in the listing on in any of our conversations before the purchase. And I was too ignorant to know that was vital info. Lesson learned. I'll try to contact her and see what she says.

After I prune, is there any care I'd need to do to the pruned end?

Thank You!
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Aug 18, 2021 9:47 AM CST
Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
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No, just make sure you cut into healthy green wood.
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Aug 18, 2021 2:18 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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But if you are going to attempt to return it, don't prune anything. Return as is.
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Aug 19, 2021 8:25 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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It is odd for a private seller to have "store tags" on a plant. According to Costa Farms, they can't tag some cultivars beyond the genus because they have to order tags a million @ a time. It seems like someone bought this @ a store, did some experiments that failed, and wanted to recoup their losses.

Avocado is so easy. Just eat a delicious avocado and lay the pit on the soil where you want your tree to grow, assuming your eventual intention was to put your tree in the ground. Forget about it until you notice it has sprouted.



The pit will remain visible for a while, and unlike the sad toothpick & water things that so many people try, your plant will look healthy and stout, and the pit will remain green and healthy looking until it has gradually been absorbed by your baby tree.
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Aug 19, 2021 10:35 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
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But you won't get a particular variety or size as seeds do their own thing. And you could wait for 15 years to see your first fruit.
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Aug 19, 2021 11:09 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL ☼🌷⚘🌹🌻 (Zone 8b)
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Hmmm... I see. Thank you. I didn't imagine there would be much variability in the result of avocado sprouts.
As far as the wait, would that be much longer of a wait than buying the little pictured tree?
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Aug 19, 2021 11:28 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
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Yes because the little pictured tree is already 3 - 4 years old. A seed grown avocado will produce in 10 -15 years.

Our Mexicola Grande Avocado was producing hundreds of pounds of fruit a year but didn't start until it was about 8 years old because there aren't a lot of Avocado trees in zone 8. Eventually, a tree will get big enough to have overlap bloom so won't need a pollinator. I assume there are lots of Avocado trees in Redondo Beach so would guess the 3 - 4 year number.
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Aug 19, 2021 11:39 AM CST
Name: Zoë
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Tiffany, like so many other commercial produce (ie what we find at the grocery stores), the ubiquitous Hass avocado is bred to transport well. There are hundreds of other varieties that are far tastier but not commercially viable.

My sister in San Diego county grows a couple different varieties, one of which is Fuerte. Flavor to die for!

This chart gives you an idea. Too bad it doesn't also show time to fruiting

https://ocfruit.com/Avocado-Ty...
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Aug 19, 2021 11:44 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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Good info, thank you! It doesn't look that old to me, but I don't claim to know much about avocados beyond that the little ones taste good and the pits sprout surprisingly easy. Sadly, winter is too cold to grow an avocado tree here.

This whole thing about the grafting has had me on the edge of my seat.
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