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Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Aug 22, 2021 5:10 AM CST
Well, David
It is always good to have more experts on the forum. I am learning more every year.

New question for all hybridizers?
How do you collect your seed pods? What do you bring them inside in? Do you every pic them green but cracking? Do you store in paper envelopes or the little ziplock bags? Thanks
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Aug 22, 2021 6:25 AM CST
I use ice cube trays to collect the seed pods in. I have small cut slips of paper placed in each cubicle to write the pod parent name on and collect the clip and bead which distinguishes the pollen parent. I do collect seed pods even if green when I see they have a crack in them.
I shell the seeds into small plastic cups and place the slip of paper and the bed in the cup and let the seeds dry for at least a day.
After drying the seeds I write the date, the cross, and number of seeds on the baggie and place the seeds inside, then the baggie is placed in a small tray an put into the refrigerator for about a month.
The next step for me is to take the seeds out of the fridge, sort them out on the kitchen counter(a place with a lot of room) and then make labels for all the seeds. I just spent most of the day yesterday making labels. This is where writing the number of seeds in the baggie comes into play. I write a label for every three seeds in the baggie because I plant three seeds per cup, I write an extra label for any seeds (1 or two) that are not in a set of three.
I put the little baggies back in the small tray in the same order I have my labels (grouped together with rubber bands). That way when I fill all the cups with soil and get ready to place in the seeds they are in the same order as the labels. It took most of the afternoon just to do one tray full.
I do not plant my seeds directly into the garden because too many critters around here like to dig them up. I plant my seeds in plastic cups in four small beds (each bed will hold approximately 100 cups). I planted my seeds this year with three seeds max per cup. Some cups end up with only one or two seeds.
There is hardware cloth screening covering each bed to keep the seeds safe. As usual, I will have way more seeds this year than I will have space to plant them.
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Nightlily
Aug 22, 2021 7:05 AM CST
I collect every pod that starts to open, no matter if green or dry. Then I store the seeds out of this pods with their hanging tags (parent information) in a bead sorting box - indoor and not covered for drying for a few days.
Afterwards I fill the seeds and the tag together in mini ziplock bags, sort them alphabetically (name of motherplant) in an index card box and store them in the fridge until February when I start to plant them indoor in propagators. The seedlings are replanted in bigger pots and moved outdoor after the last frosty nights - usually in April.
This works for me for storing about 5000 seeds and plantig about 1000 seeds out of them every year.
Name: Zoia Bologovsky
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Zoia
Aug 22, 2021 1:15 PM CST
Larry, what happens after the seeds sprout in the spring? At what point do you remove the from the plastic cups? Do you separate them into bigger pots? Don't you lose a bunch, replanting them?
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Seedfork
Aug 22, 2021 6:11 PM CST
@Zoia
The seeds in the cups will sprout in just a few days, not in the spring. I will be planting more seeds later in the cups if I can get the time that will sprout in the spring. I have way more seeds than I have room to plant them in. So probably around the middle of October and early November, I will remove the seedlings from the cups and plant them in the ground in the seedling beds...if I can make room. I lose very few from the actual transplanting, and each year it is just cross my fingers and hope the digger critters stay away.
So just according to the weather and how fast the seedling grow, they will stay in the cups four to six weeks then they get planted in the garden. Sometimes they grow very fast, while others just seem to sit there. But they don't have to have that much foliage as long as they have good roots to hold them firmly in the ground.
I know up north where you are you would be on a totally different time line with seeds and seedlings.
Name: Zoia Bologovsky
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Zoia
Aug 22, 2021 6:24 PM CST
Ok, looks like I'm stuck with germinating in the house or just planting them outside…
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plasko20
Aug 22, 2021 6:37 PM CST
Zoia said:Ok, looks like I'm stuck with germinating in the house or just planting them outside…


How many were you thinking of starting?
I am in a similar boat. I can start some now and grow outside for a couple months. Then either leave them outdoors, or bring them in to keep growing over winter. Have not decided yet, either. The ones I started last November did not get too big over winter before they went outside in spring. Never needed to trim them or anything. But that was not so many to look after. Maybe 30, max.
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Name: Zoia Bologovsky
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Zoia
Aug 22, 2021 6:44 PM CST
Mine too. I had about 50. But I had to put them outside early, because my cats discovered them. If I grow seeds this year, I'll have to get a special set up and put them in a room where I can close the door. I just hope I remember to water them! Out of sight out of mind! Out of my 50, only about 15 survived the Spring freezes. And I think , about 12 of those are still growing on the West side of the Island bed.
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SummerBee
Aug 22, 2021 7:48 PM CST
@Zoia & @plasko20

I had great success this year starting my seeds in late February/early March in milk jugs etc. (winter sowing). Kept the seeds in a dark, dry space in paper envelopes over the fall/winter. The seeds germinated quickly and can grow for awhile in the milk jugs before needing to be transplanted. I divided mine into solo cups where they are still growing until I plant them out in a couple of weeks. I don't know my % success rate but I was pleased with the outcome. I figure whatever didn't germinate probably wasn't very hardy anyway. I'm not too upset when I lose some because I always have too many to begin with. 😁
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Name: Orion
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plasko20
Aug 22, 2021 7:50 PM CST
Zoia said:Mine too. I had about 50. But I had to put them outside early, because my cats discovered them. If I grow seeds this year, I'll have to get a special set up and put them in a room where I can close the door. I just hope I remember to water them! Out of sight out of mind! Out of my 50, only about 15 survived the Spring freezes. And I think , about 12 of those are still growing on the West side of the Island bed.


Possibly, if you treat the cats like you would deer and put repellent spray around the growing area (not gross stinky rotten-egg stuff, just peppermint or lemon spray - stuff cats hate but humans can cope with), they may be discouraged.
Alternatively, you can set up a cold-frame to avoid spring freezes (1). I have a pop-up tent like this (link below), that I use on my balcony when spring begins. I have to weigh it down, but it works well. Heck, you can even set it up indoors (there are more narrow upright ones available online, with locking, and stacking shelves (2)) to keep the cats out!
(1) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CBB7G0I/

(2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D7GHEES/
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Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Aug 22, 2021 9:58 PM CST
Has anyone tried winter sowing in raised beds? I think one year I planted mine in the Fall but we had mild weather and many sprouted and I lost most of them because they were to small. Now I wait to late March or April before planting. Maybe I should start earlier.
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Name: Kenny Shively
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kennysh
Aug 23, 2021 10:15 AM CST
Teresa, I start mine usually in the mounth of Sept. Aproximity a hundred or so each wk. Depending if they have had their four wks.in the fridge. These are planted in a cold frame, so they are some what protected in the winter. Smiling
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Aug 23, 2021 12:52 PM CST
I have several still on the plant or taken in the last few days. None have been to the fridge yet.
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Eagleriver
Aug 23, 2021 2:05 PM CST
If you grow indoors in the winter how many grow lights do you need?
Name: Ed Burton
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EdBurton
Aug 26, 2021 7:32 AM CST
Winter sow after a hard freeze before the ground freezes hard, you don't want them to sprout until spring.
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Name: pam
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gardenglory
Aug 26, 2021 8:25 AM CST
I dont pick my seeds until brown, no matter if it splits or not. Nothing worse than hearing that pop from a not ready seed.
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