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Aug 22, 2021 11:58 AM CST
Apache Junction, Arizona
I have a small clump of six or so leafy plants growing in my yard a few weeks after heavy monsoon rains.

I live near Apache Junction, we get little rain and summer's in the 115+ during June/July, plants that look like this are just never seen in this climate much.

The leaves are "large" about three inches or so wide on the larger ones, there is the remnant of a flower that has hints of purple and yellow but is mostly white.

These are growing close together in a corner of my one acre yard, there's no trace of them anywhere else in the yard and the corner was - until a couple year ago - used as a dump area for yard waste so might have had seeds from who knows what.

The pictures were taken today.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:05 PM CST

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It's some species of plant in the family Martyniaceae.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:08 PM CST

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These are annual herbaceous plants that have large, sticky leaves and produce burrs that cling onto passing animals and people. I personally love these plants though.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:10 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL โ˜ผ๐ŸŒทโš˜๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒป (Zone 8b)
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Compare the top plant to Datura species.

Bonap indicates a few species present in your location:
http://bonap.net/Napa/TaxonMap...

A search in the plant database on this site:
https://garden.org/plants/sear...

Are you able to add a pic of a leaf of the 2nd plant?
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Aug 22, 2021 12:11 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL โ˜ผ๐ŸŒทโš˜๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒป (Zone 8b)
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Datura genus is in the family suggested by Gardener. : )
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Aug 22, 2021 12:12 PM CST
Apache Junction, Arizona
Thank you, yes I looked for images based on what you said and found several perfect matches on the flower.

Seems its not uncommon out here after all and is in fact at home in the dry hot climate, I found that surprising.

Anyway its not poisonous to me or dogs and that was something I wondered about.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:12 PM CST

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Apologies if I was unclear, I was referring to the second plant.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:13 PM CST

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purpleinopp said:Datura genus is in the family suggested by Gardener. : )


Datura is not part of the Martyniaceae. I was referring to the second plant.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:14 PM CST
Name: Sue
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Resembles this one (the second plant)

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Aug 22, 2021 12:16 PM CST

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sooby said:Resembles this one (the second plant)



Yes, that must be it. It's not common for these plants to pop up in Arizona though, so I just left it as an ambiguous plant in the Martyniaceae.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:21 PM CST
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purpleinopp said:Datura genus is in the family suggested by Gardener. : )


Datura is family Solanaceae. I agree, first pic is Datura spp.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/...
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Aug 22, 2021 12:22 PM CST
Name: Sue
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HolmesSherlock said:

Anyway its not poisonous to me or dogs and that was something I wondered about.



If the first plant, the pic without a flower, is a Datura then it is poisonous.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:23 PM CST
Name: Zoรซ
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
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Gardener2493 said:Apologies if I was unclear, I was referring to the second plant.


Yup, I cross-posted. Thanks for clarification
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Aug 22, 2021 12:28 PM CST
Apache Junction, Arizona
sooby said:

If the first plant, the pic without a flower, is a Datura then it is poisonous.


The leaves of all the plants in this clump seem to be the same more or less, I'm assuming they are all the same plant.

Quite an attractive plant it seems, perhaps I can grow these intentionally...
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Aug 22, 2021 12:29 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL โ˜ผ๐ŸŒทโš˜๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒป (Zone 8b)
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TY for correcting me, Gardener. Had a brain fart.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:40 PM CST
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HolmesSherlock said:

The leaves of all the plants in this clump seem to be the same more or less, I'm assuming they are all the same plant.

Quite an attractive plant it seems, perhaps I can grow these intentionally...



We're doing a lot of overlapping here, but if you are concerned about toxicity, Datura is NOT your plant. As Sooby said, it is poisonous, all partsโ€”roots, leaves, flowers, seedpods.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:44 PM CST
Name: Ratchet
Southeastern AZ (Zone 8b)
HolmesSherlock said:
Quite an attractive plant it seems, perhaps I can grow these intentionally...

I have both Datura and Martyniaceae growing on this property. Without close examination, they are easily confused, one with the other.
Datura is poisonous. Martyniaceae is not poisonous.
The way to know which is which is to wait for the seed pods. Datura seed pods are round balls with spines, distinctly different than the "squash" type pods of Martyniaceae.
I don't have grazing animals or small children so I can enjoy the Datura which is a beautiful. large plant without being concerned about toxicity.
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Aug 22, 2021 12:53 PM CST

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purpleinopp said:TY for correcting me, Gardener. Had a brain fart.


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Aug 22, 2021 12:54 PM CST

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HolmesSherlock said:

The leaves of all the plants in this clump seem to be the same more or less, I'm assuming they are all the same plant.

Quite an attractive plant it seems, perhaps I can grow these intentionally...



They are NOT the same plants. One is datura, very poisonous. The other is Proboscidea (family Martyniaceae), not poisonous.
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Aug 22, 2021 3:27 PM CST
Name: Ratchet
Southeastern AZ (Zone 8b)
Gardener2493 said:They are NOT the same plants. One is datura, very poisonous. The other is Proboscidea (family Martyniaceae), not poisonous.

I have dogs, cats, gophers, ground squirrels, skunks, coyotes and Datura.
I would Not have Datura if I had grazing animals or small children.
I suspect not too many things eat Datura. Gophers don't.
Datura is very poisonous to humans, especially the smaller editions and Grazing Animals. I would not allow any Datura around horses, cattle, sheep, goats or possibly pigs, although there are javelina here.
Wish it were poisonous to Gophers.

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