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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Sep 8, 2021 3:04 PM CST
I have been digging and dividing a lot of plants over the past few weeks. I have had a problem with the leaves being split down near the base of the plants. I try to remove all of those until I get down to just clean non split leaves, but some times that leaves very little fan left to be shipped. I think the plants will recover faster with those split leaves removed, does anyone know what causes this and are the split leaves a problem?
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Name: Sharon Rose
Grapevine, TX (Zone 8a)
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Altheabyanothername
Sep 8, 2021 4:22 PM CST
I do not know what causes it...but this year I have had a lot of daylilies start coming in. Quite a few of them have come like that...personally I do not like the leaves removed. The reason being...I soak in coming plants once. Then cut the tops to four inches, pull outside leaves off, check the crown to be solid, trim off bad or excessive roots, and completely immerse in hydrogen peroxide and water for about 15 minutes. Let all wounds air dry a little bit...its so hot here that it does not take long. Then I pot and put in the shade, after an inch or so of new growth, they are ready for their permanent spot. I have not had any problems, doing it this way. I have done it this way for years.

If the leaves were removed...I would worry the daylily would dry out too much. I like the dirt rinsed off roots and a top trim...but I like cleaning them myself. I have found (very few) leaf miner larva, and squish them...I can tell you the splits are not from leaf miners or any other insect. If I had to guess...the cause might be all the dry spells and then long monster rains.

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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Sep 8, 2021 5:52 PM CST
Well, I don't like receiving dried out plants either. But I do try to send the plants with the leaves trimmed back, the bad leaves pulled off, and the bad roots removed when shipped. However, if you prefer to do all that yourself, then I will leave all that on them. I have done a lot of digging and dividing recently and I wish I had paid more attention to how I did each batch. I have some that are just amazingly green and look so fresh. I have others with leaves dying off on the outside edges and really look tattered.
I just felt that the split leaves would probably die off slowly and make the plant look bad, then new leaves would not develop until the old ones finally died off. I felt the new leaves would develop much quicker with the bad leaves already removed from the plants.
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Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Sep 8, 2021 7:31 PM CST
Maybe I can explain it better with pictures.... Unfortunately, I did not take pictures as they arrived...but all shipments looked pretty much the same. One set was maybe a little "rougher" than the rest, but it had the longest journey. All came with longer green tops, and they were all washed...just like most shipped daylilies look. Now that they have been out of the dirt and shipped in trucks in 100° degree weather, I recheck crowns and roots after soaking. I make sure everything is firm. I have found soft spots or soft roots...I just remove them. (What I have potted no longer looks exactly like what I had received.) But no one can tell which one was the cleanest or the dirtiest. They all end up looking the same. So if they all end up looking the same...does it bother me if I remove 3 leaves or 5 leaves...no, it does not. Some of these had split leaves...it did not bother me...but it might bother someone else. So Larry... I understand your concern. You want someone to be happy with your plants. And you have beautiful plants!

I was only offering my opinion and what I do. Maybe most would find my daylily habits too much.


Here are the first ones July 29, 2021...They came with more leaves...I cut the tops down even more, and peeled a few leaves off.

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This is how they look today.
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The picture below taken today...
The bucket in front was done on Sept. 5,
The bucket upper left was Aug. 29,
The bucket upper right was Aug. 22.
They all end up looking the same...the only difference is that they arrived and were potted on different dates.
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Sep 8, 2021 8:00 PM CST
Love the buckets, what size are they?
Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Sep 8, 2021 8:17 PM CST
They hold 9 qts. Measurements are 10 inches across (not measuring pour spout) and 9 inches tall. From Dollar Tree priced a $1each.

So far working extremely well...bargain price. I do drill holes in the inner one.

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Name: Justine
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Hembrain
Sep 9, 2021 7:47 AM CST
I have wondered about split leaves too. I usually remove the outermost ones but it's often evident that the plant was growing merrily on after the split occurred. And merrily on they grow for me. I usually see splits on those monster scapes from the south or fat, greenhouse-grown northern plants. My assumption has been that it's a hydration and speed of growth issue. Ever had a watermelon split on the vine? I always wish I had been there to witness the event. Just like I wish I was around to see when scapes "blast", but It seems to happen in the night after a rain, when humans are sleeping.
I wonder if fertilization bulks them up. (Picture a bodybuilder on steroids). The split usually occurs down in the paler tissue near the base of the leaves so I also wonder about sunlight, depth of planting and competition for light. Fat fans, Larry! Your plants sound beautiful. And your plants look amazing, Sharon! Clearly, you have an effective system.

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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Sep 9, 2021 11:42 AM CST
I posted the same question on the daylily robin, and it was said that the splitting of the leaves down near the base is more noticeable on evergreens. It was said to probably be due to the crown growing and enlarging over the summer months and is usually noticed around this time of year. Another main reason for the leaves splitting down near the base was the emergence of new fans pushing through the leaves. It seems to be a common natural occurrence. So no cure for it. Just let the plant shed the old outer split leaves to be replaced with new leaves. When shipping or replanting it seems to be common practice to remove a few of the split leaves and just leave the rest.

I have never witnessed a scape blasting but I have been standing next too one when it blasted, it makes a noise like you might expect from such a blast of pressure. Sort of a loud pop!
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floota
Sep 10, 2021 6:58 AM CST
I have seen that when the fan is getting ready to divide, and not at all alarmed by that. Some plants send out shoots, and some have the fan split/ divide.
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