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Name: Joyce Massachusetts  Crazyplantlady611 Oct 14, 2021 8:36 AM CST |
| Ok, everyone, watermark or not a watermark? I've been torn if I call this a watermarked daylily because the watermark gets so dark on cool, rainy summer days. To me, looks like a chalky gray-lavender watermark on warm days. Can some pros out there give me their opinion? Thx in advance! Including a normal summer day picture & then also a cool, rainy day bloom photo. Hot summer day:  Cold, rainy summer day  |
Name: Larry Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)          Seedfork Oct 14, 2021 1:25 PM CST |
| I love questions like this, they make me really stop and look at the bloom. I will not answer as a pro, but I will offer my opinion. I think it looks a lighter color to me on both the sepals and the petals in the eye zone, so I would call it a watermark daylily. |
Name: Char Vermont (Zone 4b)           |
| I agree with Larry, I would call both versions watermarked. Is it a sdlg? It's really pretty. |
Name: Joyce Massachusetts Crazyplantlady611 Oct 14, 2021 6:58 PM CST |
  Thank you very much for your input, Larry & Char! You guys are the pros to me! I was going back & forth on it, second guessing myself. Yes, Char, it's a seedling - Ultimate Illusion & Multi-ring Pileup. We had a cold spell this summer & I was amazed at the deepening of the colors. while I love the darker colors, I hope to not have a summer with such a cold, rainy spell ever again! |
Name: Tim West Chicago, IL (Zone 5a)    Lyshack Oct 14, 2021 7:02 PM CST |
| Can I ask a side bar question? Is that a patterned daylily? Can a patterned daylily also be a watermarked daylily? |
Name: Roger & Karen Birmingham, Al (Zone 7a)        Diggerofdirt Oct 14, 2021 7:15 PM CST |
Inquiring minds want to know  Every home needs a daylily, and every daylily needs a home. |
Name: Greg Bogard Winston-Salem, NC (Zone 7a) Sscape Oct 14, 2021 8:47 PM CST |
| A watermark is an identifying image or pattern in paper that appears as various shades of lightness/darkness when viewed by transmitted light, caused by thickness or density variations in the paper. Watermarks have been used on postage stamps, currency, and other government documents to discourage counterfeiting. Wikipedia And that's it in a nutshell. They are not just the classic Munson watermark that looks like an area of frost around the throat. Yes, a flower can be both patterned, and have a watermark. Violet Moon Four Beasts In One |
Name: Maurice Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)  admmad Oct 15, 2021 9:17 AM CST |
| From the Daylily Dictionary https://daylilies.org/daylily-... "A zone above the flower's throat that is a lighter color than the rest of the segments." I agree that your seedling has a watermark. Maurice |
Name: Larry Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b) Seedfork Oct 15, 2021 1:02 PM CST |
| So we agree on the seedling having a watermark. Now I would love to see some replies on Greg's posting of two examples: I am thinking I see a patterned eye, but no watermark. I see the patterned eye, but not a watermark. In both the examples shown of having a patterned eye while also being a water mark the "rest of the segments" are so light in color that I am not sure there is actually a lighter color or just a pale lavender color? Would love some feed back and explanation. |
Name: Maurice Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b) admmad Oct 15, 2021 2:33 PM CST |
Seedfork said:I am thinking I see a patterned eye, but no watermark. Me, too. Maurice |
Name: Char Vermont (Zone 4b) |
The cold weather seems to like playing with the color of daylilies. I see a lot of it here. Either way it is a beautiful seedling  I also see it as a patterned watermark, there are variations in the color of the watermark as well as dark veining. https://daylilies.org/daylily-... Greg's examples are both patterned eyes, the eyezone is darker then the tepals base color. There's a couple pattern watermarks in the pattern definition, here's a few more patterned watermark I can think of ... |
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