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Tues
Oct 14, 2021 8:07 PM CST
Does anyone know of a forum for Arizona folks to talk aloes? I feel like I'm on an island growing these and no one to ask questions or share pics or plants.

They're getting ready to flower. I have aloe wickensii's and aloe rupestris starting to flower...and the Sabaea's are moving around in position to flower too. Just no one local to talk and show off too. lol


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Kaktus
Oct 14, 2021 9:18 PM CST
Agee, the Aloe thread mentioned by Baja is a very active thread in here, just beware that that thread is very addictive and not good for the pocket. They made me buy a lot of aloes... D'Oh!
Note : I'll try my best not to open and read the Agave thread Whistling
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ketsui73
Oct 16, 2021 2:34 AM CST
@tues
welcome to the forum . Yes the aloe thread is very active and we would welcome anyone with your experience of growing aloes in AZ. Unfortunately you will have to suffer endless pics of my little potted indoor plants here in the UK . That is the price you pay i am afraid for getting useful help from the others Rolling on the floor laughing
I think @mcvansoest is in tempe AZ. Thijs has a incredible amount of knowledge and experience , he has certainly helped me many times
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Tues
Oct 16, 2021 7:47 PM CST
OK. I think I might fit in here but first I need to say something.

Hi, my name is Chris, and I have a aloe problem. I think I surrounded by the right people here and will not judge me. Most people think I'm nuts. lol

Here is a quick look. I'll get some stuff a little more organized post more soon!

FYI - I do not sell plants. Once money is involved it's no longer a hobby and relaxing. That said, I HAVE NO MORE ROOM! I have put up many tree aloes up for adoption. But, they have to go to good homes and I ask for a picture once a year or so... Smiling

Agave folks...Look at the bark on the plant in the last photo. ;)




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Oct 16, 2021 8:05 PM CST
Haha.. Another serious over crowded hobbyist.. Grin Thumbs up
A lot of beautiful plants overthere, and the size also not small, thanks for sharing.
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Oct 16, 2021 8:46 PM CST
And another one falls under the spell! Rolling on the floor laughing
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hlutzow
Oct 17, 2021 6:30 AM CST
Tues said:OK. I think I might fit in here but first I need to say something.

Hi, my name is Chris, and I have a aloe problem. I think I surrounded by the right people here and will not judge me. Most people think I'm nuts. lol

Here is a quick look. I'll get some stuff a little more organized post more soon!

FYI - I do not sell plants. Once money is involved it's no longer a hobby and relaxing. That said, I HAVE NO MORE ROOM! I have put up many tree aloes up for adoption. But, they have to go to good homes and I ask for a picture once a year or so... Smiling

Agave folks...Look at the bark on the plant in the last photo. ;)




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So pretty.

I have 1 A arborescens and I'm so excited for when it gets bigger. All of my other aloes are off the type that stay small and low to the ground.
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mcvansoest
Oct 17, 2021 11:55 PM CST
Hi @Tues that is looking very impressive! As Steve mentions I am in Tempe, AZ, and I am pretty Aloe addicted, but it extends to Agaves and Cacti as well (and other succulents that will grow here under my somewhat irregular and everything the same kind of care). My main problem with Aloes is, I have trouble getting many potted plants through the summers so I try to get Aloes in the ground asap, but given the needs of other plants I am quickly running out of suitable space with adequate shade. I moved to a new place in the spring 2019 leaving behind some too big to move plants (I only moved 3 miles, but moving a 15+ ft Aloe tree was too much), and got a yard with very little shade, so not ideal for Aloes. I am working on getting shade trees to grow, but well trees take time to grow. So for most of my Aloes it was a start from scratch situation (Aloe dichotoma, ramossissima, and several others did not survive the transplant that happened right before summer), so many things are still pretty small.

I'd love to exchange experiences and tips and if you ever need another adoption parent for excess plants, no need to twist my arm too hard ;) , but only if they can take my environment.

Places to talk Aloes with other Arizonans, I guess it depends a bit on where you are located - maybe I missed it, but I do not think you mentioned where in AZ you are at. Both Phoenix and Tucson have active cactus and succulent societies, which you are probably aware of. I am a member of the Phoenix one (Central AZ C&SS) but rarely attend meetings because of the timing of when they are.
There are some Arizonans that hang out on Agaveville.org, but the number is limited, though they have a pretty complete list of Aloes that perform well in the greater Phoenix area, that I frequently consult.

Do you have any experience with Aloe africana?
It is what it is!

Tues
Oct 21, 2021 2:52 PM CST
Yes on the aloe africana. I need to go see if my smaller ones are alive but I had two that were 5' with a good sized caliper that I lost early this year. They flowered, and dropped dead. They were gifted to me from someone in SoCal who raised them.

*Note I was a horrible aloe parent this past summer. I'm in landscape construction and have been working 16-18 hours a day since Christmas. Tomorrow is the start of a long vacation so I'll be spending more time in my "garden". So when I say things have died, odds are it's on me, not the AZ climate .

I joined the Central AZ CSS but then this pandemic broke out 2 weeks later. Go figure.

Most of what I have has been through 3 summers now. Soome in full sun, some full shade and i have 30% shade and a 50% shade covers up for some too. I'm in the process of using indoor lights.

I have some cool agaves but not much. I do have and is my all time favorite plant is the Furcraea mcdougall. Thats the last pic in my post up top. It's starting to grow like a date palm.

Like I mentioned I'm in landscape construction. I always and mean always sneak in a area of aloes and agaves. Architects hate when you change stuff, but none of them have said a word negatively to me yet. I also plant Hercules in random places in AZ - about 35 in total. 18"-36" ones. Vandalism by aloe. lol

I'm over off 59th ave and 101. My office Southern and 32st Street. I have tons of pumice if you need some. I brought in 12 yards from Tucson a couple months ago.

I have some ID questions on stuff I have I sure could use some help on. Cool to post it here?
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Tues
Oct 21, 2021 3:18 PM CST
And dichotomas... Smiling


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mcvansoest
Oct 21, 2021 8:42 PM CST
Absolutely cool to post it here - there are quite a few people here with a good eye for ID'ing plants.

Love those dichotomas, I had two that I grew to about 3-4 ft tall from tiny little 4" seedlings, I lost the last one during my move... While I successfully moved a good number of large Agaves and Cacti, for most of my Aloes the 3 mile move (directly north, but somehow I ended up in Tempe after being in Mesa - I am at Broadway and the 101) essentially meant a total reset (but I am repeating myself).

I think if you had to neglect your plants for a summer this last one was an ideal one, we have not had that active of a monsoon season with the added benefit or more rain and 'cooler' temperatures in many years - I moved here in late 2006 so my first summer was 2007 and it felt a lot like that this year, though we had more rain going into the fall, which seems to not be the case this year, but after '19 and '20 any year with a good amount of rain is a winner in my book.

I have a small africana planted in along the north edge of my back patio. It is about a foot tall I'd say, so it has a ways to go, but it did well this year. I also came back from the DBG plant sale with a $8 africana hybrid that already has a 1.5' trunk, but it is about of a trailing trunk - so I wonder what the other plant in the parentage was. Sabaea (sp.?) and Helenae also did well there this summer, even a tongaensis seedling did not complain too much. I recently saw a post over on Agaveville from someone in Cave Creek with a large Agave tongaensis in his front yard (under a shade tree), which gives me optimism that I will be able to grow mine here successfully.

I picked up a reasonably sized Agave 'Hercules' to replace the one I left behind from someone in Apache Junction who had a large supply of those and a bunch of others in the winter of 19-20 and that is now going on 6' tall after a really good summer of growth.

Here is a picture of my east facing side yard, the block wall is about 6ft tall. Clearly. I have some weeding to do:
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In the foreground at the base of the Hercules an Aloe that came to me as a 'salmon-pink' Aloe vera, so what people would want to say is a hybrid of something with Aloe vera, except that Aloe vera is pretty much sterile - I have had one seed pod in many years of lots of flowers on good sized clump of Aloe vera - and nothing came of those seeds (which could of course me because of me not the seeds), but it has been getting larger and has remained solitary (which would actually agree with the original description of Aloe vera) and aside from color the inflorescence looks the same, but it is now going on 50% larger than the 'true' Aloe vera that is not in the picture, which like most Aloe vera here is a clone that clumps easily and a lot.

There is space in that side yard for more Aloes, but right now there are mostly Agaves planted, just because they were of a size that needed to see ground. The large plant in the back is Agave mapisaga var. Lisa, which is going to be way too big for that spot, but it was the only spot with enough shade that I had... it may have to move some time soon...


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Tues
Oct 22, 2021 9:08 AM CST
Right on!

So I started to clean my backyard jungle yesterday and this morning....More to come shortly but here is one of my misc shelves of aloes.

Off the shelf in the back there is a Aloe samson. I'm told brother of the Hercules with the same parents but different mommy.
On the shelf:
Aloe castanea or Cat's Tail Aloe. Mini tree aloes. I have them in fun sun in containers and in the ground on jobs.
Aloe hildebrandtii. Grow all over the place. Full sun and have them in local jobs. Yellow flowers. I had some next to one of my sabaeas that flowered together last year. I have some seeds I need to get going to see what that looks like.
Aloe barberae. They need their shade. Hard to grow here.
Aloe thraskii. Tough little bastards. I've put them through hell and they hang in there.
Aloe Hercules. I have them all over the place
Aloe sabaea. My baby! Love these aloes. The only "she" in my garden. lol
Aloe tongaensis. They need their shade. I have a couple 6'-7' ones with tons of heads I'll post later.

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Tues
Oct 22, 2021 9:10 AM CST
Oh, and looking at your pic, you have tons of room for more aloes! I'll help with that!!!

Tues
Oct 22, 2021 9:17 AM CST
This is the one I need help with the ID. Long story, but I got a call saying they had 40 5-gallon "misc aloes" available for $20 each. She didn't know exactly what they were but they were more on the exotic side. I took a chance and bought them all.

A week later I get a call they are in and ready for me (she was super excited)...Pull up to see 20 hercules 20"-22" and 20 of these (pics).

3 per container. At first I was thinking Aloe speciosa. I have some larger ones and they do good out here. Any idea? They have been in full sun the past year.

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Tues
Oct 22, 2021 11:11 AM CST
Little peak of my front yard...

Variegated Blue Glow is another favorite of mine.

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I think this is a Forex hybrid. Tangerine? Year round great colors and awesome winter flowers. Hottest spot at my place. Baking sun! It's in 65% pumice, 25% coconut chunks and 10% compost . Water every week and you can keep a hose running on it 24/7 and no standing water. Flows right out the bottom.





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A Furcraea mcdougall, Aloe goliath, and Aloe cameronii. All full sun.



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The Amazon drivers love me...lol Those are some silver barrel cactus too. Really cool. I was suppose to put 180 goldens on a job, but got a hook-up on these. Architects hate me. lol Pretty sure the only job in AZ with 180+ silvers on it! 31st Ave and the 101 Loop.



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Of course everyone needs a 8' Aloe vaombe next to their front door. These do very, very well in AZ.



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And of course everyone needs 20 marlothii in their yard.


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Tues
Oct 22, 2021 12:57 PM CST
I tell people all the time there isn't a better bloomer (especially winter) than an aloe and I all I get is funny looks. Then I should them these...Here is some color from last year.





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Check this bloom...






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Oct 22, 2021 8:22 PM CST
Nice!

My vaombe did not survive the transplant, it was the next to last larger aloe that I transplanted to croak. The last was a smallish but already branched ramossissima that I still have sitting around but I am 98% convinced I am just looking at a shell of a plant...

The micro-climates and the extent of the heat island effect where you are growing things does come into play here. My area comes in 2-3 degrees hotter for day time highs and frequently more for night time lows, the high night time lows, which we did not get as much this summer, is usually what I think is the main Aloe killer for me, you can get them through the super hot days with the right amount of shade, but weeks of high 80s and above that we experienced in the summer of '19 and '20 was really tough on the Aloes.

Tangerine is a nice hybrid, I have been on the lookout for one. Do you ever come across any of the south african hybrids that have the magnificent flowers? I think the main hybridizer is Leo Thamm and his nurseries in South Africa is called Sunbird Aloes, I have heard some occasionally make it to the US - mainly SoCal. Not sure how well they'd do in Phoenix, but man the flowers on those are absolutely stunning.
It is what it is!

Tues
Oct 22, 2021 10:49 PM CST
I have access to more stuff than your average homeowner because of the biz I'm in. I fertilize with liquid cal and mag in the Spring. Same stuff the USGA uses on their greens. The prevention of Phytophthora when they are growing is key IMO. We get about 6 months of growing so if they are not growing, they don't need to be watered especially during our monsoon season.

I also use Subdue. Fungicide I apply in July.

And last is nighttime lows need to be below 85' for them to sweat. This is if they're in a container. If they are in the ground, they are fine as long as they are not crowded and have air flow. I put up a big fan in my backyard to move air.

I also water my dichotoma all year (except for monsoon). I've seen them grow more roots from April to July than I've seen during the winter.

If I were you I would leave the ramossissima alone. I have about 40 cuttings of ramossissima and dichotoma. I lost about 10 over the past year but the others look just like they planted yesterday. I have them in full sun, part shade, full shade and have one in my office right next to me now. Green as green can be but not growing yet. I heard it could take up to two years.

Above info is just what works for me. I'm not a professional aloe grower. I have killed a bunch...and that's OK. I've learned. You're more than welcome to swing by. 59th ave and Deer Valley. You will NOT go home empty handed. I have enough liquid fert for 10 life times. At my yard I have a mountain of 3/8" pumice and a pallet of coconut coir if you need some too.

Always forgot neem oil. Works great on everything. This year almost all the Tecomas in Phoenix were eaten by a worm. Neem oil save me tens of thousands in material! Cheap too.

As for the hybrids, I get some here and there from Rancho Soledad. Twice a year their semi pulls up at my house and it's like Christmas morning for a 4 year-old. My neighbors think I'm nuts. lol And Bob in Tucson has every aloe and agave in the world to choose from. I can get you in the two wholesale places too here by too if you want to check them out...

Let me know!
-chris


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Kaktus
Oct 24, 2021 4:08 AM CST
This aloe has turn into grey color, so it's a Donie or C. Carol? Thinking
The leaves are so thin...
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I prefer this one, Aloe viper, their leaves have grown thick now, last time I bought 1 but the seller sent me 2, buy 1 get 1.
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