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Name: Justine
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Hembrain
Oct 28, 2021 10:24 AM CST
That silly question: What's this daylily? Yes, I know there are umpy kajillion named cultivars, but this mid-season NOID is driving me nuts because its so beautiful and reblooms so well. I grow many whites and pale yellows and pinks, but it's different from all of them and I'd love to know her lineage rather than her just be the mystery princess.



I had it mislabeled Einstein but I don't think it is, as it has never showed "persimmon". It came from the north as a bonus plant, maybe from from the LA region 11 (Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma) club fundraiser in 2018. I was coping with so many incoming plants at the time that I didn't manage to note who it was from.

Most days it gives the impression of light yellow rather than pink.

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Good size, usually around 6". Shortish scapes not much more than 21".

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This year I noticed it looking decidedly blush towards the end of the day:
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It is pod reluctant, pollen possible. Seems hardy evergreen to me. Any thoughts?
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hawkeye_daddy
Oct 28, 2021 11:03 AM CST
I think I'd start with Admiral's Braid. Not necessarily saying that's it; look at the child plants too. Maybe something will ring a bell. It's certainly a beautiful flower.
Name: Vickie
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blue23rose
Oct 28, 2021 2:50 PM CST
It has a very bright yellow throat in that last picture and what looks like a little sculpting going on. I have no idea, but am following out of curiousity, hoping someone will have an idea.
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Name: Nan
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DeweyRooter
Oct 28, 2021 4:19 PM CST
I'm hesitant to offer my guess. I don't know much compared to most of you, but when I looked at the picture, I was reminded of Linda's Magic.
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hawkeye_daddy
Oct 28, 2021 4:59 PM CST
@DeweyRooter, I would agree. Does look similar; good substance on that one. There is green in the throat of the NOID, but maybe not as much as in the pics of Linda's Magic. Do you know a source for that daylily? I subscribe to the "buy a known one, and plant it right next to the noid" philosophy of making a positive id. It's tough when nobody is selling your best guesses, though!
Name: Justine
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Hembrain
Oct 28, 2021 5:33 PM CST
Yes, it feels like it has Linda's Magic's level of substance, Nan- just a bit more ruffled and sculpted. Looking at the Linda's Magic kids, I'm not seeing it.


Linda's Magic

Hawkeye_daddy, Admiral's Braid looks close but no cigar. Good suggestion though. And golly, that's a lot of children! I don't see anything among them that seems quite the same.

Yes, Vickie, the yellow throat radiates distinctively and is a defining feature. I don't usually like a yellow throat but it works in this flower as it agrees with the edge and emphasizes the 3-D aspect.

It's interesting that when one has really looked at a daylily enough times, one gets a sense of it and sometimes it's easy to recognize what's not-it. Like people. No, that's definitely not Bob!

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Name: Nan
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DeweyRooter
Oct 28, 2021 9:46 PM CST
hawkeye_daddy said:@DeweyRooter, I would agree. Does look similar; good substance on that one. There is green in the throat of the NOID, but maybe not as much as in the pics of Linda's Magic. Do you know a source for that daylily? I subscribe to the "buy a known one, and plant it right next to the noid" philosophy of making a positive id. It's tough when nobody is selling your best guesses, though!


I thought of Linda's Magic because it's on my want list for next year. I was planning on getting it from Sterrett Gardens.
Name: Justine
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Hembrain
Oct 29, 2021 7:11 AM CST
Linda's Magic is lovely and has those breakthrough genes worth pursuing. So many beautiful children! Alabaster Beauty is the waxiest of the ones I have (stop-and-stare level of substance), but I also have and love Portofino, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, Miss Anne Belle and Rose Colored Glasses. It's good to know Sterrett has Linda's Magic. They send nice plants and are wonderful.
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Name: Nan
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DeweyRooter
Oct 29, 2021 8:42 AM CST
Yes, I've ordered from them before. I got big, healthy plants and a nice bonus. They are holding Linda's Magic for increase, so maybe next year I can get it.

Anyway. I hope you are able to ID your plant. It's gorgeous.
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hawkeye_daddy
Oct 29, 2021 10:55 AM CST
@Hembrain, @DeweyRooter, thanks for the source info! Looked at their website, and OMG! So many gorgeous flowers that I've never seen before! Although, it might be because they don't do so well here in the "difficult midwest." Crescent Beach is another stunner along these same lines. The info in the database says it's dormant, so that one might do well here. Maybe someday...
Name: Nan
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DeweyRooter
Oct 29, 2021 11:03 AM CST
You're welcome!

What I do is look up the cultivar I'm interested in on the database here. Of course, for me rust resistance is most important, so if there's no info on that, I eliminate it. Sometimes I'll find that the parents are resistant, so I might take a chance.

Next I look at the pictures people have posted. Sometimes you can figure out where the picture was taken. If there are pictures from my zone or close to it, I'm more likely to make the purchase.

I've been burned by buying dormants that have dwindled away. Some dormants do great here, but others just don't.
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Name: Julie
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floota
Oct 29, 2021 11:30 AM CST
Reminds me more of. Taos rather than Linda's Magic.
Used to grow both. First two are ofTaos:
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I recall it as not showing quite so much pink. It definitely fades to a creamy white during the day. These are really old images.

This one is Linda's Magic.
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Name: Justine
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Hembrain
Oct 29, 2021 1:48 PM CST
Gorgeous pics, Julie!

Taos looks like this here, very blush-colored:


Here's the NOID again, looking really similar:
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Taos agin


NOID again
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Gee, I wonder. So similar. Taos often looks like it has a greener throat. Not-Einstein's ruffles are looser and the whole flower gives a yellower impression in the morning.
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Name: Zoia Bologovsky
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Zoia
Oct 29, 2021 6:18 PM CST
Have you looked at pics of Linda Agin? That one might have too much green throat but still similar
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floota
Oct 29, 2021 6:23 PM CST
Michael Miller? So many began to look alike after growing them for years, which is probably why I no longer grow them.
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This is my last guess. Sadly, I could probably post 20 similar pictures of other cultivars , and you'd be no close to knowing.
Name: Zoia Bologovsky
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Zoia
Oct 29, 2021 6:31 PM CST
Linda Agin…it's true. Lots of look alikes

Name: Julie
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Name: Justine
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Hembrain
Oct 31, 2021 7:12 AM CST
I appreciate the ideas. Whitish daylilies have so many faces and look so similar to one another on different days. And pictures are tricky. It's easier to discern ID in person, over time.

I have a number of Stamiles, including Michael Miller in a couple of places and that one is usually whiter with a finer edge Love It! Look at the variation in pictures, though. Same year, same couple of days:



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Now NOID
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Now Thelma Douglas (who sulks in a pot, so I don't get to see her pretty face too often)


The Linda Agin genes are dip, Zoia. I think the one I have is a tet, as the pollen appears to set pods on tets. Linda's Magic uses the converted version of Linda Agin and opened up the tet world to that waxy substance.

I have reached out to a seller in case he was the one to send this NOID plant.

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Name: Justine
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Hembrain
Oct 31, 2021 8:38 AM CST
I wouldn't mind getting the non-converted Linda Agin for my white dip program. She just hasn't show up in sellers' inventory where I've bought the last few years. Not great for rust resistance though. And now looking again, I see that Alabaster Beauty has the converted form as a direct pollen parent. That may explain why she doesn't want to set pods, even in cooler temperatures. I think DLs can be more fertile once we get a few steps away from a conversion parent.
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Name: Nan
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DeweyRooter
Nov 1, 2021 6:52 AM CST
I know there are probably a gazillion more daylilies that look similar, but I was just scrolling through the "A" thread since some one just bumped it up, and I saw this one:

Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Aunt Leona')

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