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Oct 29, 2021 4:37 PM CST
Name: Jane Joy
Florida (Zone 10a)
Hi
Hello cactus forum, I am back with another Opuntia that I wish to id. It is a part of the Miami Beach Botanical Gardens, so it is captive and was likely cultivated intentionally. The cactus was labelled as Opuntia littoralis years ago, but we would like to get some more opinions, pictures below. Thanks!

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Oct 29, 2021 6:16 PM CST
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Not sure if the plant you are posting pictures of is the real thing, but here is the entry for it on opuntiads.com:

https://www.opuntiads.com/opun...

So it is an accepted California species.
It is what it is!
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Oct 30, 2021 8:50 AM CST
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It is not Opuntia littoralis. We have that plant growing in habitat around here and it is a low plant with different shaped/colored pads.

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Oct 30, 2021 9:45 AM CST
Name: Stefan
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It kinda looks like engelmanii, but engelmanii doesnt have those curved spines...
...those are rare I think
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Oct 30, 2021 9:53 AM CST
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opuntia dillenii?
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Oct 30, 2021 10:28 AM CST
Name: Jane Joy
Florida (Zone 10a)
Hi
skopjecollection said:opuntia dillenii?


I definitely think it looks the most similar to O. dillenii, but I feel it still could be O. littoralis or even engelmanni like you said, it's very difficult to differentiate these species. Does anyone know some sort of resource that clearly states the differences between these species? For exemple I just read online recently that the only supposed difference between O. stricta and O. dillenii is the average number of spines per areole is more than 3, but even then most example photos of O. stricta show a lot of areoles with more than 4 spines. Also the way the fruit forms on this on this cacti is pretty strange, maybe its because they are infertile? Or could it be a trait of the species/variety? IDK Crying
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Oct 30, 2021 10:31 AM CST
Name: Jane Joy
Florida (Zone 10a)
Hi
Baja_Costero said:It is not Opuntia littoralis. We have that plant growing in habitat around here and it is a low plant with different shaped/colored pads.



Yes it does seem very different, especially in how new stem segments develop (bright red, as opposed to green, which is how they start on this cactus).
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Oct 30, 2021 10:31 AM CST
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deadbilly said:

I definitely think it looks the most similar to O. dillenii, but I feel it still could be O. littoralis or even engelmanni like you said, it's very difficult to differentiate these species. Does anyone know some sort of resource that clearly states the differences between these species? For exemple I just read online recently that the only supposed difference between O. stricta and O. dillenii is the average number of spines per areole is more than 3, but even then most example photos of O. stricta show a lot of areoles with more than 4 spines. Also the way the fruit forms on this on this cacti is pretty strange, maybe its because they are infertile? Or could it be a trait of the species/variety? IDK Crying

Its not hard. Like I said- look at the spines. They are curved. Very curved. Most opuntias have straight unbent spines. Even those that 2 have it really long. The other one with bent spines is o.chlorotica.
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Oct 30, 2021 2:27 PM CST
Name: Jane Joy
Florida (Zone 10a)
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skopjecollection said:
Its not hard. Like I said- look at the spines. They are curved. Very curved. Most opuntias have straight unbent spines. Even those that 2 have it really long. The other one with bent spines is o.chlorotica.

Oh I did not think of that, so the curved spines makes you think its dillenii?
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Oct 30, 2021 10:44 PM CST
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deadbilly said:
Oh I did not think of that, so the curved spines makes you think its dillenii?



Like I said, they are rare. Besides, I think stricta should generally be spineless...
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Oct 31, 2021 11:13 AM CST
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Mr Deadbilly,
I've had some luck contacting the Desert Botanical Garden in Phoenix for definitive help identifying plants.
I suggest e-mailing their plant hotline address, with pictures, and requesting an opinion from an Opuntia specialist. Turned out to be a great resource.
https://dbg.org/contact/
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Oct 31, 2021 12:21 PM CST
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The DBG may be able to tell you, that is definitely a good possibility. I would also refer you back to the website I shared: opuntiads.com.
It is run by a collective of opuntia experts in the US, so for opuntias that are predominantly native to the US they may represent the best collective knowledge, so they may be able to help with an ID as well.
It is what it is!
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Nov 20, 2021 4:02 PM CST
Name: Jane Joy
Florida (Zone 10a)
Hi
MsDoe said:Mr Deadbilly,
I've had some luck contacting the Desert Botanical Garden in Phoenix for definitive help identifying plants.
I suggest e-mailing their plant hotline address, with pictures, and requesting an opinion from an Opuntia specialist. Turned out to be a great resource.
https://dbg.org/contact/

mcvansoest said:The DBG may be able to tell you, that is definitely a good possibility. I would also refer you back to the website I shared: opuntiads.com.
It is run by a collective of opuntia experts in the US, so for opuntias that are predominantly native to the US they may represent the best collective knowledge, so they may be able to help with an ID as well.

Great! Thanks for all the help and advice I will try the DBG and see if they have an idea, and probably Opuntiaads.com, thanks again!
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