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Dec 9, 2021 4:08 PM CST
Name: Terrie Shockling
Canton ohio (Zone 5b)
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Does anyone have info on "bearded daylilies". I saw an ad in the Daylily Dispatch, but there doesn't seem to be much online about them. Is it just one breeder that sells them? Thanks!
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Dec 9, 2021 4:13 PM CST
Name: Sue
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Terriea said:Does anyone have info on "bearded daylilies". I saw an ad in the Daylily Dispatch, but there doesn't seem to be much online about them. Is it just one breeder that sells them? Thanks!


They are registered as cristate, the American Daylily (Hemerocallis) Society does not recognize the incorrect use of the term "bearded":

https://daylilies.org/daylily-...
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Dec 9, 2021 4:36 PM CST
Name: Vickie
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Yes, unfortunately some daylily sellers perpetuate the misnomer. I am afraid I don't really have any info on cristate daylilies. They are not something that I gravitate towards, but they are certainly different.
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Dec 9, 2021 4:50 PM CST
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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Crispate:
Pinched, twisted, or quilled floral segments.

I really do not understand. Maybe they are referring to the Cascaded Daylilies, they have curled petals that could remind you of a curled mustash?
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Dec 9, 2021 4:58 PM CST
Name: Sue
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frankrichards16 said:Crispate:
Pinched, twisted, or quilled floral segments.

I really do not understand. Maybe they are referring to the Cascaded Daylilies, they have curled petals that could remind you of a curled mustash?


Unfortunately the terms cristate and crispate are rather close in spelling, but quite different things.
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Dec 9, 2021 5:19 PM CST
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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Actually the terms Crispate, cascade, spatulate are all terms that are unusual:) and not very common.

I have never heard a daylily described as cristate. also not very common.

I understand the terms like spider to describe certain Daylilies. But even something that looks like a spider daylily has to meet a specific ratio to be called a spider. Some descriptions use the word spidery for a daylily does not fit.

Bottom line, I Have not seen any Daylilies with a beard! Also, Bearded Iris is a stretch:)
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Dec 9, 2021 6:30 PM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Being my main interest and attraction is to sculpted relief, I familiarized myself with the other sculpted forms. Cristate and pleated, but those two forms have not yet grabbed my attention too much. Pleated is starting to grow on me some, still not into the cristate, but I have seen some recently that have made me start looking more closely at them. They are beginning to look a little more "organized " and not so much like just a freak of nature.
I was just reading an old journal from back when the Unusual forms were being introduced, I still get confused with the crispate forms, the twisting and curling, and the cascading, the quilling and spatulate. It is slowly sinking in but does make it a little complicated when looking at the blooms and trying to decode them.
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Dec 9, 2021 6:47 PM CST
Name: Roger & Karen
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Although their aren't any bearded daylilys there are some that look like they have a beard.
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The one on the right looks like it has a beard to me.

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I also can relate the one on the right as such. Just incorrect terminology.
Some relief daylilys appear to have a beard in my opinion, but you know what that's like.


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Both cultivars on the left appear to have a beard.
Heck I have seen some that the petals appear to have on a formal gown . These flowers are amazing. All of them in their own right. I have seen some that look spray painted , some look Velvet some that look like they were made of wax. Does anyone else know what I am shouting about.
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Dec 9, 2021 8:06 PM CST
Name: Tim
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I would explain all this, but I would just hate to mis-state about crispate, cristate, and the b-word's fate on this date.

Terrie, I would go to the Database and do an advanced search.

https://www.daylilies.org/Dayl...

You'll want to click "Cristate" on the flower form.

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As maybe you've noticed from the responses, the technical names for these things can be confusing, and cristate covers quite a few different looking flower forms, but you can search for the ones you had on your mind. And if you see one you like, just Google "daylily" plus the flower name, or the hybridizer's name, to see if you can find one you like and more information from the hybridizer.

Periodically, people like to start a post here just to argue about the term "bearded", so please don't do that. The correct term is cristate.
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Dec 10, 2021 9:41 AM CST
Name: Justine
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I finally broke down and ordered a cristate DL a couple weeks ago, just to have something in the garden that demonstrates this quality. The extra tissue initially seemed awkward and weird to me as I like graceful, open forms. However, I recently saw online some stunning new material by Jamie Gossard that shows what will be coming down the pike. All it takes is the right colors, more of that special something... viola! Must-have breakthroughs are on the way!

I have Texas Feathered Fancy coming in the spring.
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Dec 10, 2021 11:23 PM CST
Name: Mike
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These plants and seed are selling like HOT BREAD on the LA. Heck, I bought a few myself. Tim you will get no argument from me nodding nodding nodding
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Dec 11, 2021 10:36 AM CST
Name: Justine
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Well done, Mike! Hope you get some gorgeous kids. That's too much fun! Drooling DLs have come a long, long way! All it takes is imagination, work, patience and that genetic magic. Who knows what's possible a little way down the road? This morning I woke up from a dream that involved me in a nice field with 4 clumps of a very, very tall statuesque violet purple with a light edge. Purple MONSTER plants as tall as a person! Of course, in my dream I was wanting to harvest the pollen but other activities kept getting in the way. Even in dreams, life is SO inconvenient! Whistling
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Dec 11, 2021 11:16 AM CST
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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So, a cristate DL is basically mutated DL that has extra petal parts? And some marketing genius decided that these extra petal parts resembled a beard?

And Sculpted is a euphemism for mutated? Kind of like a conifer mutation is called a witches broom?
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Dec 11, 2021 3:20 PM CST
Name: Larry G
Longwood Fl.
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How would you classify this seedling?

Malformed double
Cristate
Freak of nature
All of the above

I kind of like it, kind of like a costume a Rio De Janeiro carnival dancer would wear.

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Dec 11, 2021 4:33 PM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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I vote freak of nature.
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Dec 11, 2021 4:41 PM CST
Name: Tim
West Chicago, IL (Zone 5a)
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Larry, I wouldn't claim to know enough to know the perfect description, but I can look at the database to see what everyone else is calling it. You could always check out the database selecting Cristate, double, and both to see how most people are defining blooms similar to that. I saw one, Carla's Doubles, that looked a little like it and was registered as both cristate and double. I think most with blooms similar to that are registered as just doubles. That doesn't mean they aren't cristate, too. It just means it wasn't registered with that term, also.

https://www.daylilies.org/Dayl...
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Dec 11, 2021 6:50 PM CST
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frankrichards16 said:And some marketing genius decided that these extra petal parts resembled a beard?


Hilarious! You're funny Frank! Marketing is the key word. We've had lots of marketing words over the years with daylilies, butterflies, prisms, chicken fat....blue is most likely the longest used one. There was even a "Mr. Blue" early on who claimed he had "blue" daylilies.

OldNuBe said:How would you classify this seedling?

Malformed double
Cristate
Freak of nature
All of the above

I kind of like it, kind of like a costume a Rio De Janeiro carnival dancer would wear.

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This is a double. I'm with you, I kinda like it too. Smiling Carla's Doubles is a double, incorrectly registered as Sculpted cristate. To be a Sculpted cristate form the cresting must be on the petals of a single flower. To avoid incorrect registrations, it's important to know the basics of daylily forms just as you would foliage habit, branching, budcount etc. And as a buyer you don't want a double if you're looking for a Sculpted cristate form.

Back in the 1990's the cristate form of daylily was commonly referred to as crested. I don't think anyone who saw the image of Bee's Bettie Sue (Downie 1996) inside the cover of the 1997 Daylily Journal could forget it. The form is officially recognized as Sculpted cristate by AHS along with Sculpted pleated and Sculpted relief.

Texas Feathered Fancy has been a good grower here and a great parent, both dip and tet. Hope it does well for you Justine!

There certainly are a lot of cristate crosses on the LA, both dip and tet, to choose from. Congrats on the seed wins Mike. Thumbs up I was sorting images of seed crosses from this past summer on this cold rainy day figuring out some of those must make crosses for next year. Here's a few fun tet cristate sdlg images....you can see there are differences in the shape of the cristation, they are all single flowers with cristation on the petals.

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Dec 11, 2021 7:13 PM CST
Name: Justine
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I particularly dig the second one, Char. Vibrant color. Is it a small? And that last one is remarkable, like a flower within a flower. It makes one look and keep looking. How exciting!
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that the rainbow and the treasure
were both within me. -- Gerald G. Jampolsky, M.D.
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Dec 11, 2021 7:36 PM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Thanks so much for the photo and a chance to learn how to better determine form. I love these type of posts, even if I can t tell yet how to correctly classify them. It still looks like a freak of nature to me but I guess that is not a choice on the registration form.
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Dec 12, 2021 6:44 AM CST
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Hilarious! No, freak of nature is not on the registration form. Sculpted cristates are a fun form, full of surprises.

Thanks Justine! I haven't measured the second sdlg but I would guess between 6 & 7 inches. It's from a cross of Feel the Thunder X (Sailing with Captain Kidd x Impossible Dreamer). The first and third sdlgs are closer to 4 inches. I agree, the last one is pretty cool looking. It's from a cross of Gimme that Wink X (an old relief form sdlg x Tet. Texas Feathered Fancy). I work with dips too, but find the tets have more variation in the shape of the cristation, maybe because they come from crosses with the pleated and relief forms, which makes the whole hybridizing process of Sculpted forms exciting.

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