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Dec 12, 2021 7:56 PM CST
Name: Richard
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I am over in the iris forum and have been interested in day Lillie's for a while. I have been thru alot the last few years and had to totally stop gardening. But recently started up irises thanks to a few over in that forum..

I plan on continuing with them and getting more. I love historic irises. What would you recommend for someone interested in day Lillie's. Down below is a link to the style of flowers I prefer on daylillies.

I'm currently in zone 9b buy eventually I will be moving somewhere, just not sure where.


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Dec 12, 2021 8:25 PM CST
Name: Pat
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creativeclover said: ..
Down below is a link to the style of flowers I prefer on daylillies.

I'm currently in zone 9b buy eventually I will be moving somewhere, just not sure where.


Welcome! Hi Richard, you can find lots of daylilies (notice just 2 l's) similar to the one in Betty's (Betja) picture. She often has newer and therefore often more expensive daylilies in her collection, but there are many older, more affordable ones you can find that are similar.

I would suggest looking for daylilies by Reckamp or Klehm, they have many cream, pastel, and melon ones with round ruffly petals. But those were developed in northern Illinois.

In zone 9b you might need ones developed in warmer climates. I don't know anyone in the south specializing in that "look" but some well known hybridizers in warm climates include Hansen, Kinnebrew, Maryott, Pierce, and Stamile. You might look for daylilies they hybridized.

I hope some of the more Southern growers will give you additional suggestions. I'm in a colder zone.

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Dec 12, 2021 9:07 PM CST
Name: Will
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I would recommend

It does well here in 8a ( though the colors can fade a bit in the heat) and has been around long enough to be affordable.
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Dec 12, 2021 9:41 PM CST
Name: Valerie
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Welcome! Richard
Will has made a good suggestion in recommending 'Big Smile'. I am in Canada, and 'Big Smile' grows well for me here, so it is a very adaptable daylily.
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Dec 12, 2021 10:42 PM CST
Name: Pat
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I agree with Will and Valerie, 'Big Smile' is a lovely daylily. It grows well here in 6a and also reblooms well. It's a smaller flower on shorter scapes than 'Alice Baier' but definitely has the look.

On the other hand, Alice is shown in its AHS registration picture with its segments all rolled back at the tips, creating what daylily collectors call a "bagel". In Betty's picture the segments are fully extended. Many daylilies can do one or the other or even in-between depending on the weather.

You'll notice in the picture of 'Big Smile' that it has a lot of coral overtones. In my garden I have never seen this much color. Some daylily colors are affected by the weather. Cool weather tends to enrich pink through red and lavender through purple colors. There are 37 images of 'Big Smile' in the database right here on NGA. The color ranges from almost plain yellow through coral overlays almost as heavy as the AHS image. The more "typical" look, and what I mostly see here, is yellow with coral edges. You'll see some variation in the form, too, but no image shows it rolled all the back into a "bagel".

'Alice Baier' in AHS database:
7.5" flower, 33" scape, 4 branches, 22 buds, diploid, evergreen foliage
Gossard, 2018
Thumb of 2021-12-13/Hortaholic/4d2384
'Big Smile' in AHS database:
5.5" flower, 28" scape, 2 branches, 17 buds, diploid, "dormant" [=deciduous foliage in winter]
Apps, 1999
Thumb of 2021-12-13/Hortaholic/b71fec

These daylilies were registered almost 20 years apart. The older one is tried and true and still found worthy of growing by many collectors. The newer one is comparatively untested, and so more of a gamble.

If you found Betty's picture by looking through the database here on NGA, that is a smart idea. As with 'Big Smile' you might see natural pictures from several growers. These give you an idea of the variability of the cultivar and also some indication of where it is being grown. There might also be comments by growers. All helpful.

Enjoy your new fascination! That's the main goal.

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Dec 13, 2021 12:30 AM CST
Name: Nan
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Hi, Richard--if you are in Florida, you will need to pay attention to rust resistance.

"Big Smile" grew well for me in zone 8b, but it was rust-prone, so I had to get rid of it.

You may want to start with daylilies that are most rust-resistant but are still ruffly. Here are a few:

Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Orange Velvet')

Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Omomuki')
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Dec 13, 2021 1:46 AM CST
Name: Mike
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Thumb of 2021-12-13/Hazelcrestmikeb/4f3afcBig Smile does not show off all that coloring here either. it does well for Ginny in IA color wise.
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Dec 13, 2021 4:12 AM CST
Name: Richard
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Thanks everyone. I do gravitate towards older ones for some reason. It's nothing against newer ones. I think it's partly cause they have proven themselves to perform and withstand different things.

On the one I posted, it's the style of flower I like. I know there's older ones that would be and are that similar style.

I am in zone 9a, Joshua tree California. When I am able to purchase a house in about. 16 montha (long story) I will be moving, just not sure where yet. It would be where it's cheaper then California. Maybe Tennessee or Springfield Missouri areas.

Someone mentioned rust on day Lillie's. Exactly what is that? Thanks.
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Dec 13, 2021 7:20 AM CST
Name: Sue
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creativeclover said:
Someone mentioned rust on day Lillie's. Exactly what is that? Thanks.


Rust on daylilies is a fungal disease caused by the rust fungus Puccinia hemerocallidis. It causes the leaves (and sometimes scapes) to be covered in raised orange spots that contain many spores able to start new infections. It is specific to daylilies (and in some parts of the world Patrinia species). Daylily rust does not normally survive winters outdoors in zone 7 (borderline) or colder.

BTW as Ann mentioned, daylily only has two l's and is spelled all as one word. This spelling was instigated many years ago to try and stop people from confusing them with lilies (Lilium) to which they are not closely related. I mention that not in the role of "spelling police" but just that when you are searching for plants you will get better results searching on daylily than day lillie.
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Dec 13, 2021 7:35 AM CST
Name: Justine
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Richard, welcome! You should come to Tennessee! We're friendly! (Although housing prices have gone through the roof lately because a whole, whole lotta folks are reaching that conclusion. So the housing isn't as friendly as it used to be!) We have snow and ice but relatively short winters. In mountainous East Tennessee especially, that pesky, dreaded fungal disease -daylily rust- will die out each winter so you get a fresh start with all the daylilies each spring without needing fungicide during the growing season.

The daylilies of Jack Carpenter should do well for you in California. They were hybridized in Texas and many may have the look you like. There's currently an active thread about Carpenter daylilies.
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Dec 13, 2021 7:54 AM CST
Name: Nan
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Daylily rust is a problem in warmer zones like yours. I say this so you know what you're up against going forward. I had never heard of rust when I fell in love with daylilies and planted various lovely cultivars in my yard. When I had an outbreak I didn't even know what it was. Over the next season it spread throughout my yard and to the neighbors' daylilies.

I have become much more vigilant since then, getting rid of the varieties most severely affected, trimming rusty foliage as soon as I notice it, and replacing a lot of the ones I got rid of with cultivars that are supposed to be more resistant. It's going to be a constant battle for me. I also have cut back the neighbors' daylilies that have been affected. I don't know where the original infection came from, but since we live in a warm climate, it's never going to completely go away.

I wanted to warn you so that you would not make the same mistake I did and buy certain daylilies just because they are pretty.

Another option is to commit to a regular spraying program. Others can tell you about what you need to spray and how often.

I am sorry to be Debbie Downer, but I want to save you what I went through.
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Dec 13, 2021 7:55 AM CST
Name: Tim
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Ann is right on the money that Reckamp and Klehm seem to create the style Richard is looking for. I am a big fan of Reckamp, though, and in my studies, I think I've read in a few places that many of his plants don't do well in the heat in the south. I was thinking Pierce might be a good hybridizer for warmer climates, but I think Joshua Tree is a drier climate than Florida, so I'm not sure if that helps or not.

As far as looking for daylilies, I always suggest looking at the monthly "bloom" posts, here. There are posts titled something like "June Blooms" and "July Blooms" that show a lot of pictures of beautiful daylilies that are available. And there, the posters often have their zone in their location, so you can find people in similar climates to you and see what they grow. It's a great way to learn.

A second way is to just google "daylily sellers" and check out sellers in similar climates to see what they grow and sell.
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Dec 13, 2021 8:51 AM CST
Name: Richard
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Tim,. It's usually pretty dry here when I comes to rain. This past summer was hot and humid. It was upwards of 120 with upwards of 35% humidity. It was horrible.

Justine, I will find the thread about Jack carpenters daylillies. Hopefully it will be something that would work.

Noted about the rust issue in warmer climate and spraying.
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Dec 15, 2021 12:17 AM CST
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Hortaholic said:
'Alice Baier' in AHS database:
7.5" flower, 33" scape, 4 branches, 22 buds, diploid, evergreen foliage
Gossard, 2018
Thumb of 2021-12-13/Hortaholic/4d2384
'Big Smile' in AHS database:
5.5" flower, 28" scape, 2 branches, 17 buds, diploid, "dormant" [=deciduous foliage in winter]
Apps, 1999
Thumb of 2021-12-13/Hortaholic/b71fec


Pat


Hi Pat @Hortaholic, rather than add those teeny tiny photos from the ADS that only shows the words "copyright', you can find several wonderful member photos right here in out database!
Just copy and paste the URL and it automatically becomes a clickable link.
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Alice Baier')
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Big Smile')
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Dec 15, 2021 5:54 AM CST
Name: Richard
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Sue, Alice baieris definitely pretty. I'm looking to branch out from irises. I have a few daffodils someone sent me that coming up slowly. I have always liked this type of flower daylillies and hibiscus flowers.
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Dec 16, 2021 1:34 PM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Here is one of the best site to find daylily hybridizers. Note of caution. My "Norton" report warned me that this site is not secure as in "https" secure.
http://www.daylilydiary.com/
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Dec 20, 2021 12:44 AM CST
Name: Pat
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Calif_Sue said:

Hi Pat @Hortaholic, rather than add those teeny tiny photos from the ADS that only shows the words "copyright', you can find several wonderful member photos right here in out database!
Just copy and paste the URL and it automatically becomes a clickable link.


@Calif_Sue Hi Sue,
Thanks for the suggestion. I write these posts on my good old iPhone 6S and don't know how to copy and paste internal links on it. I did the best I could by the roundabout way of saving the AHS pic to my photos and then uploading. Maybe I can do that with the local database images, I'll try next time. Thanks for adding the DB pics!

I love using the database here to find additional images of daylilies and other plants! Best of all, they are usually natural pictures, not the sometimes-exaggerated images the hybridizers submit to AHS.

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Dec 20, 2021 6:04 AM CST
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Hortaholic said:

@Calif_Sue Hi Sue,
Thanks for the suggestion. I write these posts on my good old iPhone 6S and don't know how to copy and paste internal links on it. I did the best I could by the roundabout way of saving the AHS pic to my photos and then uploading. Maybe I can do that with the local database images, I'll try next time. Thanks for adding the DB pics!

I love using the database here to find additional images of daylilies and other plants! Best of all, they are usually natural pictures, not the sometimes-exaggerated images the hybridizers submit to AHS.

Ann


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