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Jan 1, 2022 2:28 AM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier Garden Sages Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Master Level
Another year gone, and I'm glad it's gone this time. My year wasn't tragic, thankfully, but it was boring and uneventful, mostly because of the lack of regular and meaningful personal interaction. Telephones and the Internet are not enough for me. I'm craving large gatherings with friends, long enough for us to talk, laugh, eat, drink, sing, and dance. Will the coming year be better? I always follow Mel Brooks' advice: "Hope for the best. Expect the worst."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

The thumbnail photo for this month is New Year, a McGredy grandiflora that enjoys showing off its pretty stamens.

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Jan 1, 2022 3:24 AM CST
Name: Michelle B
WV (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Hummingbirder Roses
Happy new year!

I hope 2022 brings us all good health and happiness and fabulously prolific and healthy roses.
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Jan 1, 2022 12:23 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
Cat Lover Charter ATP Member Keeper of Poultry I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Keeps Horses
Roses Plant Identifier Farmer Raises cows Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
I hope our new year is as bright and happy as that rose!

Happy 2022 everyone!
Porkpal
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Jan 1, 2022 9:16 PM CST
Name: Lola
Tasmania
Region: Australia Birds Garden Photography Cottage Gardener Farmer Irises
Roses Keeps Sheep
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Thumb of 2022-01-02/LolaTasmania/27e7dbJude the Obscure


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Thumb of 2022-01-02/LolaTasmania/e9d921Charlotte


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Thumb of 2022-01-02/LolaTasmania/8929e3Troilus 3

I have three Troilus which I got from the same supplier but each one is just a teensy bit different to the other two. I can't pinpoint what those differences are exactly but if all three of them were in a vase together I would know which was which.
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Jan 1, 2022 11:16 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Ideas: Level 1
Lola, these roses are absolutely Spectacular!
Observe, observe, observe
We are fortunate to "see" & appreciate nature in ways others are blind.
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Jan 2, 2022 5:16 AM CST
Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
Roses
Beautiful roses, Lola! Makes me want to place a rose of that color (Troilus) in my garden again. Then I think of the Hoplia beetles I have here and that helps me to not place an order (plus no space, unfortunately).
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Jan 2, 2022 9:12 AM CST
Name: David Tillyer
New York City (Zone 7b)
I agree with you. I nearly fell off the chair when I heard David Brooks complain on PBS that "2021 ended up being shapeless". I am really ready to move on...try a new year. Fingers crossed.
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Jan 3, 2022 1:52 PM CST
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
Happy New Year, everyone!

DA wedding rose Juliet from online order




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Jan 3, 2022 2:51 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
Cat Lover Charter ATP Member Keeper of Poultry I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Keeps Horses
Roses Plant Identifier Farmer Raises cows Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Such a gorgeous display! A great beginning for 2022.
Porkpal
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Jan 3, 2022 6:22 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Ideas: Level 1
I agree, beautiful photo shots. I especially like the last one with the reflection. Thanks for sharing.
Observe, observe, observe
We are fortunate to "see" & appreciate nature in ways others are blind.
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Jan 3, 2022 6:59 PM CST
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
@Porkpal @MargieNY Thank you for your kind words. Love your photos too.
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Jan 4, 2022 1:43 AM CST
Name: Lola
Tasmania
Region: Australia Birds Garden Photography Cottage Gardener Farmer Irises
Roses Keeps Sheep
I am not fond of plants named after people even if I like the person they are named to honour. If I don't like the person, as with Precious Michelle, I find I can't stand seeing the name on the name plate in front of the plant. If I like the person but the rose is no good I feel guilty for wanting to get rid of it. This rose is Betty White but I changed the name to one of the other handful of names this rose is known by. It didn't work because I knew in my heart it was Betty White and I couldn't shovel prune it even though it annoyed me with its brown petals and giant thorns. This season I have given her twice as much water than I have in previous years and she seems to be doing much better. I would feel terrible if I got rid of her now but next season I may have hardened my heart a bit.
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Jan 4, 2022 10:10 AM CST
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
LolaTasmania....Is there someone who is just starting with roses, bought a house, a young relative, that you could give her too? With the cost of roses (and everything else) really going up someone might love it. Also, I find it easier to gift a rose than to totally shovel prune the thing. I tell myself I could go visit.... (I won't, but I could) Then sometimes I have found out the person I gave the rose to has fallen in love with the rose and has started growing more roses or the rose died and they are happy they didn't pay for the experience. But do what's best for you.

I am actually asking everyone who is on this forum to try to keep in mind gifting roses instead of tossing the ones you shovel prune. I hear so often the shovel prune and toss, while so many new rose growers/gardeners wish they could try this that or the other rose and can't afford to. Most of the on-line retailers have raised their prices by $2 a rose, which doesn't seem a lot until you realize the rose was kind of at the top of many new gardeners budget. I still need to really think about adding a $20 shrub....more thought for a $35, lots of thought for a $55 and yet that is what 1 rose is going for a number of places. A great thing to keep in mind for poor performing roses, but sometimes you just have to do what you have to do.
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Jan 4, 2022 4:38 PM CST
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche,Rio Negro, Argentina (Zone 8a)
Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Roses
Sandsock said:

I am actually asking everyone who is on this forum to try to keep in mind gifting roses instead of tossing the ones you shovel prune. I hear so often the shovel prune and toss, while so many new rose growers/gardeners wish they could try this that or the other rose and can't afford to.



I grow roses as my key garden structure plant. Gradually from just a few, my gardening moved from about 20, now sturdy oldies ( 30 years +) to a collection around 500 bushes. Do I ever shovel prune? no. Would I ever do it?. I really don't know. I haven't reached my limit yet. Those that dissappear do it on their own. Once gone the remainder is piled along with the ever growing fire-wood pile. In winter they become ashes and these are spread under roses or irises alike. But of course I live on a very large property ( a small farm of about 30000 sp yards) so I always have somewhere to move about a bush.
I would never treat a cultivated rose bush as a weed. There's something of self respect that I particularly pay attention to. Respect of my dreams, efforts, hopes plus that of others before the bush ended in my place. I'm still learning ways of how to place my bushes within my property. I'm gradually acquiring the skills needed to achieve long lived bushes, along with pleasing views. Cultivation is about plant domestication. They become a familiar sight in my every day stroll. I cherish those familiar angels that point out accomplishments in my gardening goals. My garden is a source of solace for my spirit and soul. Are roses sentient beings? Not in an animal sense, but their angels yes. Everything in this visible world has invisible dimensions that are guiding their role in this material world. I don't want to disrupt that delicate balance that emerges when everything is right: me as the creator and observer and they ( roses or other cultivated plants). That magical moment sometimes does happen. Unfortunately, some of those roses eventually go downhill and end up in the pile for winter fires. However the memory still lingers. Roses are not static sculptures so one is permanently dealing with the fleeting, which slips between the fingers of our grasping hands. What is fleeting? Life itself...
All the above is my own view, but I share it because some parts will surely resonate in others, perhaps for some, nothing. In that case I beseech that they ignore my post. However, in others it may call their name. For these, I implore they listen to their hearts ( not to their thoughts). There are reasons of the heart that the mind can not understand. This doesn't pretend to open a moral debate of what's right or wrong. That I leave for each reader to judge by himself. Instead its about awareness, sensitivity and expanding conscience. After 7 decades + of life, and keeping this personal pursuit as a top-most beacon, every day life provides back those little miracles, private and personal when a bloom smiles back at me. Those angels of joy awaiting their turn are fluttering around...That experience is worth having lived so far, in spite of losses of every kind.

Arturo
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Jan 4, 2022 9:47 PM CST
Name: Lola
Tasmania
Region: Australia Birds Garden Photography Cottage Gardener Farmer Irises
Roses Keeps Sheep
We are supposed to get a storm tonight so I've brought some blooms inside just in case there's not much to admire in the garden tomorrow. Here is Troilus, Comte de Champagne, Lady of Shalott, and Jude the Obscure.
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Jan 4, 2022 9:50 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
Cat Lover Charter ATP Member Keeper of Poultry I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Keeps Horses
Roses Plant Identifier Farmer Raises cows Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Highly admirable! Thanks for posting.
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Jan 7, 2022 10:56 PM CST
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
LolaTasmania...Thank you for posting the gorgeous arrangement...you are so kind to brighten our days

Arturo...I missed you!!! I love to read your words. I love hearing you thoughts and ways, it makes me think and ask better questions. So far I have only had 1 rose leave me suddenly and I just have no idea what I did wrong. I did have a number of other baby plants that I just could not figure out what they wanted in time and they are no long. But I have several struggling roses that I hope will last long enough that I can figure out what they need. I think I asked you before, what do you use for soil in pots?
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Jan 8, 2022 3:46 AM CST
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche,Rio Negro, Argentina (Zone 8a)
Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Roses
@Sandsock,
Annie Thank You! for your kind words! Lovey dubby
I use an all purpose mix of soil in my rose pots:
2 parts of my ordinary very sandy ( almost pure) soil. Its what I have ( Rolling my eyes. )
1 part barn bedding ( contains alfalfa meal, alfalfa pellets, sheep poop, sheep urine, sheep wool, shredded grass, some chicken poop)
I place a layer of raw sheep wool in the bottom of my grow bags/pots about 3 gallon size. Then a layer of dry leaves; then a couple of handfulls of barn bedding. This I do for two reasons: 1. to retain moisture in the bottom of the bag to induce the rose to grow roots in search of that moisture. 2. To induce earthworms to do their job of moving downwards in search of rotting OM.
Then I fill up my bag with the soil mixture while I plant my rose bush. On the top I follow the same strategy: a layer of wool for moisture retention, then some dry leaves and barn bedding plus a light topping of plain sandy soil so that wind doesn't blow away the mulch.
I do add a granular fertilizer in summer to make sure that during the first stages the bushes do not lack nutrients. The idea is that once the bush reaches twice the original size then its ready to find a place in the beds.

Arturo
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Jan 11, 2022 10:55 AM CST
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Arturo, Thank you!...thought I remembered you had sandy soil...mine has some loam and a ton of rocks. ......Is your climate rainy like England? Ours is very rainy English climate, except in the summer we get no rain for 3 months. I am guessing the grow bags handle the wet well, but wondering how the grow bags handle the drought....do you make sure they just get watered extra or does the barn bedding regulate moisture some?
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Jan 12, 2022 11:48 AM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Ideas: Level 1
1) I ordered another Music Box because I am attracted to the pink & yellow color combination. It produced lots of flowers, it grew rapidly and formed a perfectly shaped bush. It came through the winter with no problems and showed no signs of disease.
If you scroll down you will find lots of photos of Music Box
https://easyeleganceroses.com/...

2) Champagne Wishes - another Ping Lim shrub with a strong fragrance
https://easyeleganceroses.com/... scroll down

3) True Passion aka Double 10 - hybridizer Ping Lim, HT with a spicy scent, amazing dark orange color
https://www.true-bloom.com/ - scroll down and click

If Champagne Wishes and True Passion perform anything like Music box I will be a happy gardener here in zone 7.
Observe, observe, observe
We are fortunate to "see" & appreciate nature in ways others are blind.
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