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Jan 16, 2022 8:51 AM CST
Name: Cindy Vasko
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Snow's starting, not scheduled to work today - what a better thing to spend some time on, but daydreaming of future acquisitions? Whistling It surprises me how many relatively new daylilies I've seen that look like they are top heavy with clustered buds in clump photos. I'm looking to add a few new plants to my garden over the next couple of years and I have a huge love for the old bud building dips, but also would like to get a few "fancy" newer intros. By fancy and new I mean blooms with pleating, teeth, multiple edges...introduced within the last 20 years, lol. 99% of my plants are pretty darn old. Seriously though, I'm really looking for candelabra-type branching or similar so the blooms are well spaced. As far as dips, when I moved years ago it was in winter and I left behind most of my garden. I LOVES the old dips that got me into daylilies to begin with and I'm starting to collect them back. Any favorites out there for bud builders?
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Jan 17, 2022 7:32 AM CST
Name: Vickie
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@cinvasko, Hi Cindy! candelabra branching and bud building are both great qualities in a daylily. I checked the ones I have, but unfortunately my best branched daylily with bud building is a tet called, 'Chew Mailpouch Tobacco'. I am sure there are dips with both candelabra branching AND bud building, but I am not finding them in my list to report on.

I did find a few dips with either the candelabra branching or bud building.

'Fever' (Warner, 1976) is a dip, but really doesn't have the candelabra branching you are looking for.

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'Small World Green Star', a 2014 intro by Michael Miller is a dip with nice scapes. Here's a link to it on his website:
http://www.distinctly.on.ca/sm...

Here are two pictures of it in my garden:

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'Hakuna Matata' (Schaben, 2007) is a dip that has great candelabra branching, but it does not bud build.
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I did an advanced search on the AHS database for the following and got 7 results:
Ploidy: dip
Registration Year: not before 2000
Branching: 4
Description Keywords: builder

Chillax (Owen-P., 2020)
Fred's Red (Murphy-J.P., 2012)
Gekko Garden Fall Fairies (Eggenreich, 2020)
Labor Day Heat Wave (Sobek, 2020)
Parker's Cherry Cola (Dye-C., 2021)
Wine Dark Sea (Mock, 2019)
Woodland Dreams (Dye-K., 2014)

Maybe @Lyshack (Tim) or @Legalily (Ginny) can comment on 'Fred's Red' since they have it listed in their plant list.
I have only heard comments about it on the thread below, but it sounds like a great one:
The thread "2021 Tall Daylily photos, up up and away" in Daylilies forum
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Jan 17, 2022 9:16 AM CST
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I've only had Fred's Red a short time and so far it's only had a couple blooms. Jury still out in this one.
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Jan 17, 2022 10:12 AM CST
Name: Nancy
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Hakuna Matata is not Ruffled or pleated, but is a pretty flower and great branching like pictured by Vickie. So far mature scapes have 40 to 50 buds. 2021 was its 3rd year for me, and has had that kind of bud count the last 2 years, improving last year. As mentioned, no bud building, but with that bud count....
For ruffles Green Mystique has a bud count for me that is up there, though not the 45 of stats. Nice branching too.
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Jan 17, 2022 10:46 AM CST
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Floyd Cove Nurseries has one with a tree-like scape that I recall called 'Mighty Indeed' (Pierce, 2021). No bud building though, and it is an evergreen tet. But wow on the scapes.
Unfortunately, the website is created in such a way that I cannot link to a specific flower using a URL.
But the main website is here:
http://www.floydcovenursery.co...

Gossard also has a few with tree-like scapes.
Here is one example with teeth:
https://heavenlygardens.com/ga...
No bud-building though.
And another example showing good branching:
https://heavenlygardens.com/ga...

But if you go to the Lily Auction and search "Murphy" as hybridizer there are a lot of ones that come out as bud-builders. Ofcourse you could just search "builder" as the search term.
https://daylily.com/cgi-bin/au...
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Jan 17, 2022 12:54 PM CST
Name: Cindy Vasko
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blue23rose said:@cinvasko, Hi Cindy! candelabra branching and bud building are both great qualities in a daylily. I checked the ones I have, but unfortunately my best branched daylily with bud building is a tet called, 'Chew Mailpouch Tobacco'. I am sure there are dips with both candelabra branching AND bud building, but I am not finding them in my list to report on.

I did find a few dips with either the candelabra branching or bud building.

'Fever' (Warner, 1976) is a dip, but really doesn't have the candelabra branching you are looking for.

Thumb of 2022-01-17/blue23rose/25d4ac

'Small World Green Star', a 2014 intro by Michael Miller is a dip with nice scapes. Here's a link to it on his website:
http://www.distinctly.on.ca/sm...

Here are two pictures of it in my garden:

Thumb of 2022-01-17/blue23rose/c7c771

'Hakuna Matata' (Schaben, 2007) is a dip that has great candelabra branching, but it does not bud build.
Thumb of 2022-01-17/blue23rose/d45827

I did an advanced search on the AHS database for the following and got 7 results:
Ploidy: dip
Registration Year: not before 2000
Branching: 4
Description Keywords: builder

Chillax (Owen-P., 2020)
Fred's Red (Murphy-J.P., 2012)
Gekko Garden Fall Fairies (Eggenreich, 2020)
Labor Day Heat Wave (Sobek, 2020)
Parker's Cherry Cola (Dye-C., 2021)
Wine Dark Sea (Mock, 2019)
Woodland Dreams (Dye-K., 2014)

Maybe @Lyshack (Tim) or @Legalily (Ginny) can comment on 'Fred's Red' since they have it listed in their plant list.
I have only heard comments about it on the thread below, but it sounds like a great one:
The thread "2021 Tall Daylily photos, up up and away" in Daylilies forum






Thank you for all the effort that went into that! I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but I meant I was looking for Dips with bud building as well as Tets with candelabra branching - not one with both. I'm sorry!
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Jan 17, 2022 12:56 PM CST
Name: Cindy Vasko
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alilyfan said:Hakuna Matata is not Ruffled or pleated, but is a pretty flower and great branching like pictured by Vickie. So far mature scapes have 40 to 50 buds. 2021 was its 3rd year for me, and has had that kind of bud count the last 2 years, improving last year. As mentioned, no bud building, but with that bud count....
For ruffles Green Mystique has a bud count for me that is up there, though not the 45 of stats. Nice branching too.


Hakuna Matata has been in my "must have" wish list, this year it's a priority!
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Jan 17, 2022 1:00 PM CST
Name: Cindy Vasko
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Thank you everyone for the leads - I do apologize for not being clear in my initial post. I meant I was looking for people's favorite dips that were bud builders, as well as tets that had candelabra branching. Not both traits in one plant! Very sorry!
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Jan 17, 2022 1:39 PM CST
Name: Vickie
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No problem, Cindy, maybe I misread your first post.

But, hey! That opens up the field a lot! I will have to take another look at the one I have.
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Jan 17, 2022 1:45 PM CST
Name: Tim
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Hi Vickie. I have grown Fred's Red for a number of years, now, and it has definitely has some bud building in multiple years, one year blooming for nearly 7 weeks. I checked, and I don't have any good pictures of the scaped.

Another similiar choice from Murphy at Woodhenge is Cayenne. It looks a little different, but the same idea. They start blooming late and bloom a long time. Very pretty reds, both of them. Fred's Red is registered as a bud builder. Cayenne ins't, but in my garden has better branching. They both seem to bloom longer than most in my garden.

Fred's Red
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Cayenne


You are looking for newer ones with bud building and/or excellent branching. I remember years ago posting pictures of Howdy bud buidling for me for weeks and weeks. And there was this one posted by Stilldew that needs to be seen if you want to know a good dip bud builder.

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Jan 17, 2022 1:48 PM CST
Name: Vickie
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Awesome, Tim. I love the color and form of Cayenne! And what a great picture of the bud buiding on Pumpkin Time.
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Jan 17, 2022 6:14 PM CST
Name: Justine
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North Wind Dancer is a bud-building dip (and has nice branching)
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And Panic In Detriot is a tet with lovely wide branching (first year, potted, staked because I didn't trust delivery guys not to bash it)
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Paul Owen has candelabra branching in many of his daylilies. Plants like Panic In Detroit helped him achieve that result. And Judy Davisson has lovely wide branching in many of her tets, too. Such inspiring plant habits!

Banana Breeze is a branched Trimmer offering. Would we call that candelabra?
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Jan 17, 2022 7:41 PM CST
Name: Vickie
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Jan 18, 2022 12:14 AM CST
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Genesta hands down is the bud building champ of the dips. Check the database.

Jolly Red Giant is a good candelabra branching tetraploid. I second Panic In Detroit.
Roman Cohort is another.
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Jan 18, 2022 10:17 AM CST
Name: Pat
McLean, VA (Zone 7a)
In posting to another thread, I realized This Isn't Over fits the bill for what you are looking for. 40 buds, 4 branches and bud builder (I'm pretty sure)
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Jan 18, 2022 6:47 PM CST
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The only bud builder I grow is Pee Wee's Big Adventure.

You can do a NGA database search for bud builder using the search by characteristics.

There's only a handful of diploids that are Sculpted pleated the vast majority are tets. A few favorite tets for great branching are
Feel the Thunder, mature fans with wide 4 & 5 way branching.


Cowboys and Dreamers, tall with wide 4 way branching.


Cozy Fanny, has wide 4 & 5 way branching.


Origami King, 4 way branching.


Unpredictable You, mostly 4 way branching.

There are many more I could list, these are some of my favorites for both branching and form.

Two nicely branched watermarks...
Crystal Castles and Let the Sea Resound

and a nice eyed one with good 4 way branching.
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Jan 21, 2022 7:08 PM CST
Name: Cindy Vasko
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WOW! Thank you everyone, what an amazing shopping list you've given me - these examples are everything I was hoping for Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!
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Feb 15, 2022 12:33 PM CST
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Lyshack said: Hi Vickie. I have grown Fred's Red for a number of years, now, and it has definitely has some bud building in multiple years, one year blooming for nearly 7 weeks. I checked, and I don't have any good pictures of the scaped.


Fred's Red is a leaner in my garden - blooming about 5 weeks here. Color is great but I don't like this plant habit:

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This is a picture of GG Fall Fairis in my seedlings garden - completely different and flowering for at least 8 weeks:
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I've bought North Wind Dancer some years ago because of its bud building trait - never seen any bud building since then but here it's a terrible leaner too:

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Feb 15, 2022 1:16 PM CST
Name: Vickie
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Hi Sue, thanks for your insight on these. I especially do not like leaners and do not feel that daylilies should have to be staked. I was also very disappointed in North Wind Dancer. One scape almost touched the ground. The same with Mascara Snake. Very surprised that both of these won any awards as much as they lean.

I take it GG Fall Fairis is one of your own crosses? It is very pretty and has the kind of sturdy scape and branching I like to see.
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Feb 16, 2022 1:37 AM CST
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blue23rose said: Hi Sue, thanks for your insight on these. I especially do not like leaners and do not feel that daylilies should have to be staked. I was also very disappointed in North Wind Dancer. One scape almost touched the ground. The same with Mascara Snake. Very surprised that both of these won any awards as much as they lean.

A friend of mine grows Mascara Snake and Cheyenne, planted in full sunny spaces - both leaners in his garden too. My experience with August Fire
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and September Flame (quite new - no clump shot up to now):
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ist much better, even if they don't have an impressing bud count in my garden - both have upright scapes no mather if planted in full sun or half shade. Therefore I use both for crossing - some children have sturdy scapes and much higher bud count up to now - e.g. GG Clownfish Clubbing (flowers at least 2 months):


blue23rose said: I take it GG Fall Fairis is one of your own crosses? It is very pretty and has the kind of sturdy scape and branching I like to see.

Gekko Garden Fall Fairies is one of my own cultivars - it was a surprise, because the parent with the high bud count is more a leaner (Watermelon Summer VT from Olallie's, not registered) and the one with the color and flower shape is a bud builder but not a prolific bloomer in my garden (Final Touch). I've got three quite similar seedlings out of this cross - Fall Fairies had the highest bud count and the longest flowering period and its much more prolific than its parents.
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