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Nov 7, 2022 9:46 AM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
I love this rose, but, am having trouble seeing how it grows. Is it bushy or straight up like a pillar? Does it spread out much? How is the disease resistance and fragrance? I'm fairly new to roses so I don't want to get one that ends up more trouble than it's worth.

Pat
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Nov 7, 2022 5:51 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 6b)
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This is a hybrid tea that HMF describes as growing between 3-1/2 to 6 feet tall. Hybrid teas are typically not as bushy as floribundas or shrub roses.
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Nov 8, 2022 9:11 AM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
Hi Mike, I take it you aren't growing SM. ARS gives it a very good rating and HMF says good things, too. Since I'm pretty much a novice I just wanted to see if anyone had hands on experience with it in here as I'm not able to find a picture of the actual bush.
Thanks for answering.
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Nov 9, 2022 2:44 PM CST
Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6a)
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I had this rose in a big pot. Very nice, fragrant, but does not hold heat well and not survived after first winter in garage.
I would recommend to start with ADR roses, there are a lot of very nice!
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Nov 9, 2022 4:26 PM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
Hi Elena, I am planting in the ground and will give it winter protection it's first year. It will be in the front of my house where it will get some protection from harsh, cold winds, also.
I hope that helps it make it through alive. Was yours grafted or own root? Mine will be own root, which, I've read helps roses survive winters better. Can you tell me what ADR roses are?
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Nov 9, 2022 7:51 PM CST
Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6a)
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ADR it's a German certificate for roses. They tested roses for 3 years for hardiness, appearance and disease resistance.
I do not remember if my rose was grafted or not.
In my opinion the most important characteristic of rose is disease resistant, how long the flowers last and repeat blooming.
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Nov 10, 2022 7:19 AM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
I'm a sucker for fragrance. When I grew roses years ago I had Jacquiline du Pre and the scent was intoxicating. I'm planning on getting that one, too, but, it's not available yet at Heirloom. I agree, disease resistance is important, but, isn't falling in love with a rose up there, too? If it becomes too much trouble one can either take it out or baby it along. I suppose many of you in here have been growing roses for a long time and have many cultivars. I'm just restarting my rose garden and can't wait till they come. I do know I have lots to learn that experience, hopefully, will teach me in time. I also have Cornelia and Felicia, hybrid musks, ordered and they are hardy and pretty disease resistant.
Thank you, Elena. We are both in the same zone, so, your comments/advice are most appreciated.
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Nov 10, 2022 2:54 PM CST
Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6a)
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Patricia, I have a rose with the smell just blown me away! I am not 100% sure about the name, but looks like it's Tropicana.
The thread "Do you know this Rose?" in Roses forum
I planning to buy about 20 roses next season and will keep you posted. I am in Ohio as well. :smily:
Learned from experience that roses are so inconsistent in different zones.
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Nov 10, 2022 4:38 PM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
I'd love to know what roses you order and how they do. I'm also planting Firefighter, which, I have read can get some BS, but, just ignores it and keeps on truckin. When I grew roses many years ago they did well and I didn't give them great care at all. I fed them Miracle Grow. I have learned about feeding the soil from my veggie garden and will do the same for my new roses. Your orange rose is gorgeous and it makes me antsy to start growing mine. sigh...spring will get here eventually.
BTW, I'm near the Pa. border, north of Youngstown in a small city. I think our area just got changed to zone 6 because it was 5 when I grew my roses before. I was thrilled to find that out because more roses became available to me. I did check the disease resistance for each rose I'm getting. The only one I'm not sure of is Jacquiline du Pre, which, got BS when I grew her. The only nursery I could find who had ADR roses was Edmunds, and I'm not ordering from them. If they were available at a better nursery I would definitely look them over.
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Nov 10, 2022 5:34 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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Here are 140 ADR roses in our database:

https://tinyurl.com/ycksp699
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Nov 10, 2022 9:22 PM CST
Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6a)
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Zuzu, thank you, very convenient!
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Nov 10, 2022 9:37 PM CST
Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6a)
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Patricia, I will post the final list as soon as I made my order with Palatine, might be tricky this year. I have ordered from David Austin:
EUSTACIA VYE
MUNSTEAD WOOD
BOSCOBEL
PRINCESS ALEXANDRA OF KENT

From Regan:

Cherry Parfait
Crazy Love
Distant Drums
Eden Climber
Leonardo da Vinci
Love Song
Polka
Twilight Zone

PS. In my garden so far 100% BS free are Earth Angel, Pompon Veranda and Olivia.
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Nov 10, 2022 10:53 PM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
Elena, what area of Ohio do you live in?
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Nov 10, 2022 11:08 PM CST
Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6a)
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vaporvac said: Elena, what area of Ohio do you live in?

I am in Cincinnati, across the river from KY. Some areas in my county are 6a, some are 6b. Rolling my eyes.
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Nov 11, 2022 5:41 AM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
Thank you, Zuzu. Since I won't be ordering any of them now I didn't do a search on them. I will check them out because I may order more roses during summer for late summer planting.
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Nov 11, 2022 5:47 AM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
Elena, the BS free roses are good to know as black spot thrives in our area. I've seen some of the roses you listed. Boscobel and Princess are beautiful. I thought about Distant Drums, but, other roses that I liked better won the day instead. Smiling
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Nov 19, 2022 7:46 AM CST
Name: Andi
Delray Beach, FL (Zone 10b)
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When I lived in the Poconos, PA, my favorite rose was Buck's Honey Sweet. It isn't fragrant, but it was strong and pretty. I tried growing distant drums, but it wasn't strong. Both were own root plants from Chamblees.

The most complimented rose was Carefree Celebration (now called Coral Knockout) underplanted with Johnson's Blue hardy geranium. I grew that at the corner of the garden near the sidewalk. It got covered in salty snow by the snow blower, but thrived anyway. It bloomed all season. It didn't have fragrance or fancy blooms, but it was colorful and cheerful. It was also own root from Edmonds (I think).

Own root roses did best for me in PA.

I am now in Florida. They have roses with Fortunata root stock in the stores here - even big box stores.
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Nov 19, 2022 9:55 AM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 6b)
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Andi, despite freezing temperatures over the past week, I managed to cut one last bloom of Distant Drums yesterday, shown to the left of Apricot Candy in this photo (mine is grown on its own roots, too):

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I've had terrific success with Carefree Celebration. I grow three of them, two of which are grafted and a third on its own roots. They are prolific bloomers.

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Nov 21, 2022 5:08 PM CST
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
I grow Sweet Mademoiselle, it was at our Walmart. Wow, is she tall! 6 foot or better and huge blooms and amazing fragrance! Does get powdery mildew spring and fall, which I just ignore. Our Walmart tends to carry only those that do well here, so she may behave differently for you.

Besides the ARS designations in the database here (and I often look at the plant files photos too, because people comment there as well) helpmefind.com often has comments of how well a rose does in different places, either in the comments section or in the photos. When I am at a big box store or nursery, I can look up either place on my phone to decide if it is worth it to take that particular rose home. (Although SM was only $6 clearance so I took the chance.)
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Nov 22, 2022 9:20 AM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
Thanks, Sandsock. I'm trying to get roses that are D.R., hardy and fragrant. Beautiful is stuck somewhere in there, too. I did read that she gets tall and I may pot her the first year. I also read that she is wimpy on her own roots so I thought a nice 2 gallon pot may give her a good start.
Is your JC grafted? I want only own root because our winters can get pretty cold.

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