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springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
May 26, 2013 3:25 PM CST
I'm wondering what colors these come in. All I can find are red, yellow and bright pink. I would like to have a soft pink, that has double petals. Is there a white Knock Out?
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porkpal
May 26, 2013 3:40 PM CST
I don't know of a pale pink Knock Out, but there is a white rose called White Out that is at least a close relative of the Knock Outs.
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Skiekitty
May 26, 2013 5:00 PM CST
I just saw at a nursery today a new double medium pink. It's not too bright, but definitely not light pink. Can't remember the name of it, I know it's not in the drift series.. oh.. what is the name of it.. dammit. It's a new variety of rose like the Knock Out series.. I may just have to go back over there & check it out. Not something I personally would buy as I'm not much into pink roses.
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RoseBlush1
May 26, 2013 5:24 PM CST
There is a sport called 'Blushing Knock Out' which is light pink.

See http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=44286

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springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
May 26, 2013 6:41 PM CST
that still looks too pink, I am looking for something like a soft powder pink.
I am terrible with roses I kill them Sad
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Skiekitty
May 26, 2013 7:30 PM CST
If that's too pink then the one I saw would be too dark as well. I'm no help.. I don't have much of a clue for the LP color
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Andi
May 26, 2013 9:26 PM CST
You may want to check the other roses by the knockout breeder, Radler. here is a link:

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=8.7312&tab=21

He is from Wisconsin so he breeds cold hardy roses.

Bubble Double is light pink
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.63992.0

I grow one of his roses, Carefree Celebration, a coral rose. I wish that the stores would carry more of his roses, but they seem to focus on the single red and hot pink ones. Maybe there is a different marketing agreement for those.

David Austin has some very nice pink roses. Wildeve and Abraham Darby are two that I grow. Wildeve is one of my favorites. It is a soft, slightly warm pink.

Buck roses and many Kordes roses also do well in cold climates.

I grow Kordes Baby Blanket. It is the color you are looking for, but its form is different from the knockouts. I am still trying to figure out how to train it. I think it would be nice covering an arbor, but I don't have one. I have seen it sold as a standard. It would make a lovely weeping standard for those of you in warm climates.
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Frillylily
May 26, 2013 10:57 PM CST
The problem is roses always turn yellow and have black splotchy leaves and then look pitiful and I pull thme out. My MIL has some Knock Outs and she does NOTHING to them and they look fantastic. I practically sang lullabies to mine lol and they just die! So I thought maybe Knock Outs are what I should get. But I don't care for the garish colors. I did notice that the single red Knock Out smelled sweet, but the double red Knock Out had no fragrance. I think roses don't like MO humidity maybe is part of the trouble
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Frillylily
May 26, 2013 11:01 PM CST
Looks like Baby Blanket may not be cold hardy enough for my area. Also says it needs spring freeze protection, definitely would not tolerate our springs. But very pretty, also said it was nearly thornless, that would be nice.
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porkpal
May 27, 2013 7:03 AM CST
I grow old garden roses because of the black spot problem that you describe. They seem to muddle through even if affected. Take a look at the Earth Kind roses. They have been proven to survive with little care. Many of them are pink or white.
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Skiekitty
May 27, 2013 9:02 AM CST
Frillylily said:The problem is roses always turn yellow and have black splotchy leaves and then look pitiful and I pull thme out. My MIL has some Knock Outs and she does NOTHING to them and they look fantastic. I practically sang lullabies to mine lol and they just die! So I thought maybe Knock Outs are what I should get. But I don't care for the garish colors. I did notice that the single red Knock Out smelled sweet, but the double red Knock Out had no fragrance. I think roses don't like MO humidity maybe is part of the trouble


That's blackspot. Don't pull the rose out.. it's a SUPER common fungal disease that is VERY easily treated. Just buy some kind of spray for blackspot (this is the stuff I use for my roses when I have problems http://www.amazon.com/Green-Light-Organic-Rose-Defense/dp/B0...). Just follow the instructions & your roses will thank you for it!! I tip my hat to you. I tip my hat to you. I tip my hat to you.
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CindiKS
May 29, 2013 7:10 PM CST
Maybe you would like Rainbow Knock Out? It has pale pink, yellow and white blossoms, but they are single. It is beautiful and very disease resistant.
A double pale pink and white rose similar to Knock Outs is Carefree Wonder. I have Carefree Beauty and Carefree Delight also. I don't think they are related, but all 3 truly are carefree!
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Frillylily
May 30, 2013 8:53 AM CST
Where can I find some of those old roses that are really deep red color and smell kind of peppery? I think my old neighbor when I was growing up had one that was a climber, It had long canes and was tall. If I remember right, it wasn't a really full petaled rose, and I'm not sure if it bloomed but once, or maybe here and there during the summer after its main bloom. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Skiekitty
May 30, 2013 9:29 AM CST
Do you think it was this rose?


I honestly don't know what Dr. Huey smells like.. I rip them out as soon as I find one blooming in my yard. LOLL Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Frillylily
May 30, 2013 12:40 PM CST
hmmm well that does look a lot like it> I would think the smell though is a good identifier, maybe someone else will know. I will look up that name.
How come you rip them up, is there something I should know ?
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May 30, 2013 1:31 PM CST

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'Dr. Huey' has been used primarily in the rose breeding business as a rootstock for budded roses. When the grafted rose dies, or even if it's starting to get stressed, the Dr. Huey rootstock can start to sucker, take over and thrive. Once Dr. Huey starts to sucker, you have to dig down under the soil, find the source of the sucker and tear it off at the base. Simply cutting them off will not work. If you don't catch it early and take care of it correctly, you will wind up with plants of Dr. Huey and not your original rose.
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Frillylily
May 30, 2013 1:44 PM CST
oh,well yes, I can see that. I was thinking you meant it was invasive or something if it was planted. We have a wild rose that grows here in MO that has tiny single petal white roses, only blooms once, I don't know what it is, but it has a heavenly sweet fragrance i LOVE. But I was told it spreads everywhere and is basiscally a nuisance plant Sad It grows very large, has a weepy form and is quite thorny too. If I plant roses I will look for ones that are not grafted because I dont think the grafts like cold winters very well.

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Skiekitty
May 30, 2013 2:22 PM CST
Frilly - About 98% of my roses are all grafted & I'm just as cold as you are. You just have to bury them up to their eyeballs & mulch the snot outta them. One rose I was thinking that may be a good match for you is Nearly Wild. The color can be a little strong in colder climates, but I've never seen it as pink as the pictures in our database.

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Frillylily
May 30, 2013 6:46 PM CST
That is probably brighter than I am wanting. If a rose is not grafted they require all that mulch?
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Pocono Mountains, PA
Andi
May 30, 2013 8:31 PM CST
Check out the Explorer and Parkland Canadian roses if you want own root roses that don't need winter protection. Some are hardy to zone 2, 3, 4. I only protected Jens Munk and William Baffin the first year. They remained cane hardy to the tips without protection.

Here is a link to the Canadian Explorer roses by Dr. Svejda. John Davis is pale pink, but I don't grow that one.
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=7.6032&tab=21

Chamblees carries a lot of the Buck roses. i grow Honey Sweet, but it isn't pale pink. Some of them are, but I forget their names.

If you are just starting to grow roses, start with varieties that you know will be successful in your climate. You will save yourself the grief of mourning dead sticks in the spring. Once you gain more experience, you can try some more adventurous choices. I was discouraged by my early rose growing efforts because they didn't survive the winters, even with protection. I got an own root Austin Wildeve rose by sheer luck at Walmart in a pot. I happened to be there when they were unloading fresh roses. My friend saw it and said it was my kind of color - a soft warm pink. I googled the rose, found the plant files and found other rose fanatics in cold climates.

MO is going to be colder than PA (I'm zone 6a) but wetter than CO. I think Skiekitty has more snow cover than I do. I have wet winters with lots of freeze/thaw cycles. We get the "wintery mix" of snow-ice-freezing rain. February and March can get days in the 40s and nights in the 20s. Grafted roses freezing and thawing daily in soggy clay soil aren't happy. My hardy own root roses don't mind. Digging deep holes is a challenge for me in my rocky mountain soil. Other gardeners in this area have success with grafted roses in raised beds.

We have that five petaled white wild rose here also. A bird planted one in my garden. I dug it out last year. I think it is really pretty in a wild setting - It has huge arching canes that are blooming this time of year. It would overpower a garden. I kept a piece of the one from my garden in a big pot. It isn't happy in the pot, maybe I should plant it in the woods by my new place.

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