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Feb 19, 2024 2:19 AM CST
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Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
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Plant it and they will come.
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Feb 19, 2024 7:14 AM CST
Name: brenda reith
pennsauken, nj (Zone 7a)
nature keeps amazing me
good article! Thanks Sally.
listen to your garden
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Feb 19, 2024 12:28 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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Just when you thought there was already a lot of crazy stuff about gardening on the 'net... D'Oh!
โ€œThink occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Feb 19, 2024 4:42 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Procrastinator Charter ATP Member Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Houseplants
Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Region: Maryland Composter Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener
I may have said this on the site already-- for my library job, we had training to do with ChatGPT. I asked it to write a blog post about epsom salts in the garden or something like that. It created a lovely (piece of crap) article gathering from what's out there, so much of it false/incomplete info. I don't think you could have known it was AI written.

I always seek .edu sites
Plant it and they will come.
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Feb 19, 2024 5:23 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
And it's going to get harder and harder to recognize that something is AI. Blinking
โ€œThink occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Feb 19, 2024 5:34 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- (Zone 8b)
Region: United States of America Houseplants Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Sages Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
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It isn't just gardening. The old saying about lies is alive and well and running around willy nilly. Say a lie once and everyone says, "That's a lie." Repeat it 1000 times and it becomes the accepted truth.
The golden rule: Do to others only that which you would have done to you.
๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜‚ - SMILE! -โ˜บ๐Ÿ˜Žโ˜ปโ˜ฎ๐Ÿ‘ŒโœŒโˆžโ˜ฏ
The only way to succeed is to try!
๐Ÿฃ๐Ÿฆ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿพ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒธ๐ŸŒผ๐ŸŒน
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The 2nd best time is now. (-Unknown)
๐Ÿ‘’๐ŸŽ„๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒพ๐ŸŒฟ๐Ÿโฆโง๐Ÿ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒฝโ€โ˜€ โ˜•๐Ÿ‘“๐Ÿ
Try to be more valuable than a bad example.
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Feb 19, 2024 5:46 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Procrastinator Charter ATP Member Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Houseplants
Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Region: Maryland Composter Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener
and it takes only a day for the 1000 tellings, thanks to modern tech Blinking Sad Blinking Sad Thumbs down
Plant it and they will come.
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Feb 19, 2024 5:48 PM CST
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
Orchids Plumerias Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
Greenhouse Ponds Keeper of Koi Forum moderator Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Adeniums
Good article, thank you!
I see AI generated images all over Facebook! From totally unrealistic looking crocheted/knitted pieces posted with a claim to have instructions, (no) to ridiculous flower/bird combos, idiotic animals ( actually disgusting) and so on. It is way over the top, and most people seemed to be charmed by those "amazing displays". Many times they create false expectations!
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Feb 19, 2024 5:53 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- (Zone 8b)
Region: United States of America Houseplants Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Sages Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
Organic Gardener Composter Miniature Gardening Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Tender Perennials Butterflies
Like this pic in an ad for seeds?
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The golden rule: Do to others only that which you would have done to you.
๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜‚ - SMILE! -โ˜บ๐Ÿ˜Žโ˜ปโ˜ฎ๐Ÿ‘ŒโœŒโˆžโ˜ฏ
The only way to succeed is to try!
๐Ÿฃ๐Ÿฆ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿพ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒธ๐ŸŒผ๐ŸŒน
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The 2nd best time is now. (-Unknown)
๐Ÿ‘’๐ŸŽ„๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒพ๐ŸŒฟ๐Ÿโฆโง๐Ÿ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒฝโ€โ˜€ โ˜•๐Ÿ‘“๐Ÿ
Try to be more valuable than a bad example.
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Feb 19, 2024 5:54 PM CST
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
Orchids Plumerias Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
Greenhouse Ponds Keeper of Koi Forum moderator Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Adeniums
Exactly! Tiffany, you hit the nail on the head!
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Feb 19, 2024 5:59 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- (Zone 8b)
Region: United States of America Houseplants Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Sages Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
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I found that pic earlier today doing a search for mandevilla bella scarlet and then hitting images.
The golden rule: Do to others only that which you would have done to you.
๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜‚ - SMILE! -โ˜บ๐Ÿ˜Žโ˜ปโ˜ฎ๐Ÿ‘ŒโœŒโˆžโ˜ฏ
The only way to succeed is to try!
๐Ÿฃ๐Ÿฆ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿพ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒธ๐ŸŒผ๐ŸŒน
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The 2nd best time is now. (-Unknown)
๐Ÿ‘’๐ŸŽ„๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒพ๐ŸŒฟ๐Ÿโฆโง๐Ÿ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒฝโ€โ˜€ โ˜•๐Ÿ‘“๐Ÿ
Try to be more valuable than a bad example.
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Feb 19, 2024 6:04 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Procrastinator Charter ATP Member Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Houseplants
Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Region: Maryland Composter Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener
Aiyeeeeeee... so many people are going to be scammed a few bucks at a time, on nonsense seeds like that, even worse than already.
Plant it and they will come.
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Feb 19, 2024 6:40 PM CST
Name: Zoรซ
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
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But those stupid phony photos have been around forever. The earliest ones were cut and pasted, then Photoshop opened endless possibilities. You don't need AI to alter colors (think blue coleus) and rake in gullible buyers. Plus those articles that are just copied from other (bad) articles have been around forever too. In that regard, AI might be making it easier, but it isn't breaking new ground. We've all known for a long time to be wary of what we read on the Internet on any subject.

My biggest concern is the "deep fakes" โ€” seemingly real people appearing to say or do things they haven't... and viewers who are tricked into believing what they're seeing. Then what happens? We all start being skeptical of everything we see. Then crooks who really are caught on video doing or saying bad things claim they're been deep faked. I think things have the potential to get mighty complicated. The world is getting scarier every minute.
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Feb 19, 2024 7:40 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- (Zone 8b)
Region: United States of America Houseplants Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Sages Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
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Getting scammed is the at the least concerning end of the deep fake scale. It could be used to start a civil or world war by creating footage of an attack that didn't happen which therefore rationalizes some retaliatory response. It could be used to frame people for crimes, especially inconvenient people who disagree in public with someone very powerful. It could be used to eliminate entire cities by creating footage of some kind of plague, something like the "Outbreak" movie, which requires bombing the city out of existence for the greater good. These scenarios are probably mild compared to what some evil genius could conjure.
The golden rule: Do to others only that which you would have done to you.
๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜‚ - SMILE! -โ˜บ๐Ÿ˜Žโ˜ปโ˜ฎ๐Ÿ‘ŒโœŒโˆžโ˜ฏ
The only way to succeed is to try!
๐Ÿฃ๐Ÿฆ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿพ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒธ๐ŸŒผ๐ŸŒน
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The 2nd best time is now. (-Unknown)
๐Ÿ‘’๐ŸŽ„๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒพ๐ŸŒฟ๐Ÿโฆโง๐Ÿ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒฝโ€โ˜€ โ˜•๐Ÿ‘“๐Ÿ
Try to be more valuable than a bad example.
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Feb 20, 2024 4:00 AM CST
Name: Pat
Columbus, Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Interesting article Sally, thanks for posting it.

I wonder whether AI will ever be able to generate truly new information based on analytic thinking, which requires combining ideas in new ways. Right now it appears it can only accumulate and combine existing knowledge in previously used connections or connotations?

That certainly could be powerful and useful in some ways. Finding a list of known pests as the author did was useful for him.

I thought standard Google might be able to do that but a search for "Hemerocallis pests and diseases list" produced only 7 and omitted some of the more serious ones.

The usual links were a hodgepodge that varied considerably in accuracy and completeness and even relevance.

AI would have a long way to go to sort out all that. And I don't know how it would judge the validity or accuracy. Some of the ".edu" sites had both problems, which is actually not uncommon in articles written by Extension personnel about Hemerocallis and many other subjects such as fertilizers, unfortunately. Ones written by "Master Gardeners" are often overconfident, in my experience. I will usually trust sources like these if they are writing about plants they have actually grown and their personal experience with them. If the source is repeating something that's secondhand it might be some of that "common knowledge" that is actually misinformed.

The web is a terrific resource for getting started on researching a subject. But it's necessary to dig deeper and broader into as much primary source material as can be found. Very often that means using a library! I hope we always support those. We need people with Sally's professional expertise.

Pat
Knowledge isnโ€™t free. You have to pay attention.
- Richard P. Feynman
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Feb 20, 2024 8:32 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
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Sadly I agree about .edu contributed by those not actual university staff.

I am seeing commercials touting AI for business use. Implying predictive capability. But who knows? I can't judge that. I've only experienced the language aspect, imitating text.
Plant it and they will come.
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Feb 21, 2024 12:17 PM CST
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
I am VERY afraid one day I will go outside and there will be a robot in my garden saying: Human , I am artificially intelligent, you are naturally stupid; You need food , I do not, so I will stomp on this crap because I do not need it.
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Feb 21, 2024 4:43 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Procrastinator Charter ATP Member Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Houseplants
Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Region: Maryland Composter Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener
Maybe they will be programmed by Asimov. Do not harm humans.
Plant it and they will come.
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Feb 21, 2024 6:04 PM CST
Name: Thea
Illinois (IL) (Zone 5b)
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purpleinopp said: Like this pic in an ad for seeds?
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Ooh! I want those! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
Kiss the Ground ~ Woody Harrelson
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Feb 21, 2024 7:22 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- (Zone 8b)
Region: United States of America Houseplants Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Sages Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
Organic Gardener Composter Miniature Gardening Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Tender Perennials Butterflies
Thea, IKR! So do I! LOL!
The golden rule: Do to others only that which you would have done to you.
๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜‚ - SMILE! -โ˜บ๐Ÿ˜Žโ˜ปโ˜ฎ๐Ÿ‘ŒโœŒโˆžโ˜ฏ
The only way to succeed is to try!
๐Ÿฃ๐Ÿฆ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿพ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒธ๐ŸŒผ๐ŸŒน
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The 2nd best time is now. (-Unknown)
๐Ÿ‘’๐ŸŽ„๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒพ๐ŸŒฟ๐Ÿโฆโง๐Ÿ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒฝโ€โ˜€ โ˜•๐Ÿ‘“๐Ÿ
Try to be more valuable than a bad example.

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