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Aug 11, 2024 8:21 PM CST
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Name: Kristi
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While walking with my dog, I saw something gleaming red in the sunlight. I walked out to see what it was. It reminds me of an Arum but surely not in the southern wilds. Any thoughts.

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Aug 11, 2024 8:44 PM CST
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The leaves really do make me think of Jack-in-the-pulpit, which is an arum of course.
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Aug 11, 2024 8:59 PM CST
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Name: Kristi
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You may be right.
Wildflowers of the Big Thicket list three different types. I wish I had seen the bloom.
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Aug 11, 2024 9:12 PM CST
Name: Mone
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That is Green Dragon - Arisaema dracontium - a North American native
The bloom is similar to Jack-in-the pulpit but with a very long tail.
Greendragon (Arisaema dracontium)
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Aug 12, 2024 5:17 AM CST
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Name: Kristi
east Texas pineywoods (Zone 8a)
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Thank you for that ID.

For my education, there are three listed for this area.
A. dracontium
A. triphyllum
A. quantum (noted as uncommon in this area)
What was the identifier that made you comfortable with it being the first one?
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Aug 12, 2024 6:03 AM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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Those are berries. You can harvest them and grow those from the seeds they have inside the berries
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Aug 12, 2024 6:56 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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pod said: Thank you for that ID.

For my education, there are three listed for this area.
A. dracontium
A. triphyllum
A. quantum (noted as uncommon in this area)
What was the identifier that made you comfortable with it being the first one?

When I saw the leaves, I immediately thought Arisaema dracontium also.
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Aug 12, 2024 9:58 AM CST
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Name: Kristi
east Texas pineywoods (Zone 8a)
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stone said: When I saw the leaves, I immediately thought Arisaema dracontium also.

What was the indicator for your immediate ID? Still attempting to educate myself.
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Aug 12, 2024 10:08 AM CST
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Gina1960 said: Those are berries. You can harvest them and grow those from the seeds they have inside the berries

I think I will leave them for the birds to share. I am sure that is how it arrived at my place.

Some reading I have done indicates calcium oxalate crystals can be found in parts of this plant. As I live with pets I'm going to pass on propagation.

I do hope to see blooms on this plant next year though.
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Aug 12, 2024 10:14 AM CST
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Name: Kristi
east Texas pineywoods (Zone 8a)
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I appreciate everyone for their IDs.

I still hope to learn how to determine which one it was.
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@stone
Meanwhile I will mark it finished with thanks.
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Aug 13, 2024 6:24 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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pod said: What was the indicator for your immediate ID? Still attempting to educate myself.

Have you compared the leaves of the 3 different plant? They're each quite distinct.

pod said: Some reading I have done indicates calcium oxalate crystals can be found in parts of this plant. As I live with pets I'm going to pass on propagation.

Uh... I doubt that you need to be concerned about animals eating any part of this plant...
Those oxalates have a very 'sharp' taste... not a desirable thing to have in your mouth.
Although...
Here's somebody that suggests edible uses for this group of natives...
https://eattheplanet.org/jack-...
I'm not going to try it...
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Aug 13, 2024 12:45 PM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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All aroids have oxalate crystals. Taro leaves (Colocasia escuelenta) are widely eaten in SE Asia and India. They have to be cooked, which I guess renders the oxalate harmless. Can't be eaten raw
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Aug 14, 2024 3:58 AM CST
Name: Mone
Chicago between O'Hare & Lake (Zone 6a)
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I am not familiar with A. quantum? (quinatum?). However, I grow A. dracontium and A. triphylum in my garden.
Their leaves clearly differ from each other.

A. triphylum is Jack-in-the pulpit.
The "triphylum" part in its name describes the three lobes of its leaves.

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Whereas A. dracontium 's leaves are shaped in a swirl as shown in the OP's photo above.

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Aug 14, 2024 7:46 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Kristi
east Texas pineywoods (Zone 8a)
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pitimpinai said: I am not familiar with A. quantum? (quinatum?). However, I grow A. dracontium and A. triphylum in my garden.
Their leaves clearly differ from each other.

A. triphylum is Jack-in-the pulpit.
The "triphylum" part in its name describes the three lobes of its leaves.

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Whereas A. dracontium 's leaves are shaped in a swirl as shown in the OP's photo above.

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Thank you very much for the description, complete with photos. I was thinking I may need to wait till it bloomed next year to clarify the ID in my mind. Your assistance is appreciated.
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Aug 17, 2024 10:20 PM CST
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Jack in the Pulpit or Green Dragon. See Google Lens for added details
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