Plant ID forum: Charle, my Cavalier King Charles Spaniel ate the tag of this plant!

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Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
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JB
Jul 16, 2013 12:36 PM CST
My sweet adorable dog ate the tag from this plant that was on my deck.
The plant is now blooming and I have no clue what it is. The fragrance is a mix between a gardenia and a jasmine. Any ideas would be appreciated.Thumb of 2013-07-16/JB/152c31
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Jul 17, 2013 1:37 AM CST

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Looks like a gardenia. Shrug!
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Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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JB
Jul 17, 2013 9:20 AM CST
Yes it does and I wish I knew what kind it is nodding
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 17, 2013 12:04 PM CST
Hi Jacquie.

Do you happen to remember if your gardenia was marked hardy for zone 7? Also, do you remember how large it is supposed to be at maturity?
It will make it much easier to ID if you do. The link below lists some of the zone 7 cold hardy gardenias available. Perhaps they may ring a bell with you. If not, then I would suggest clipping a stem with a bloom and a couple leaves and comparing them with the gardenias at the store you got this one from.

http://allthedirtongardening.blogspot.com/2013/04/cold-hardy...
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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JB
Jul 17, 2013 12:27 PM CST
No Moon it is not hardy in Zone 7. I must go back through all my Logee invoices and see what this is. The leaves are not those of a gardenia. Actually what happened with this plant is quite funny. I purchased it at least a year ago and put it on the South (sunny deck) and it never bloomed. I moved it inside since it looked like it was getting too much sun and it did not bloom (East exposure and morning sun). It just sat there and did nothing but draw mealy bugs and at lest once a month I would take it out scrub it good and this past early Spring it had mealy bug and all the leaves were falling off. I got tired of pampering it and took it outside along with another gardenia that was making me crazy with problems, and put them on what I call my "sick" shelf.
They got no water other than the rain. I sprayed them both after washing them and just ignored them. This is what it looks like today, More blooms and just as happy as can be. Isn't that typical? Sometimes I wonder why I keep doing this propagation and pampering.
.Thumb of 2013-07-17/JB/020107
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wcgypsy
Jul 17, 2013 12:52 PM CST
Checking the gardenias that Logee's currently has for sale, it does look as though it could be 'Fortuniana'...don't see anything else in their 'Fragrant' listings that it might be.
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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JB
Jul 17, 2013 1:03 PM CST
My problem is that I bought so many, at the same time and many died and I am not sure without looking back on my records which died. The dog is only two and I had it before I got him, so that goes back even farther than a year and my other records are no doubt in the loft of the barn waiting to be shredded. Shrug!
Maybe I will just name it Charle and be done with it. I am not going to propagate it anyhow, it is just I am one to like to know the name of such a pretty plant. Rolling my eyes.
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 17, 2013 1:03 PM CST
I do understand. I have found the more you pamper some plants, the worse they perform....and some plants just seem to thrive on neglect. Shrug! Smiling

The bloom looks a lot like my Gardenia jasminoides 'Frostproof', and it is one that Logee's carries.

http://www.logees.com/Gardenia/products/71/


Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jul 17, 2013 1:19 PM CST
You see a lot of plants listed a G radicans "dwarf gardenia"...that is a prostrate gardenia and the name radicans is a synonym for jasminoides...I have Frostproof, August Beauty and Mystery. The one listed as G radicans dwarf gardenia that I received as a gift from a florist shop , was actually not a "dwarf" but a very fragrant Frostproof that is 4 ft tall. We later discovered that the plants had been treated with a growth inhibitor.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/plants/1304/miniature-...
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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JB
Jul 17, 2013 1:40 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Thumbs up Acorn

THAT IS IT............I am 99% positive that is it. I was collecting the jasminoides and I remember buying Frostproof and last year I remembering thinking "what happened to that plant?" I searched high and low for it and never found it. I made a note to look after I cleaned out the greenhouse this summer. I never found it. That has to be it. It even has the narrow leaves. You are wonderful. Thanks you. I am so excited I am going to make a new tag immediately and mark it so I do not forget it again.

Now, I have the problem as to what to do with it. I can not put it in the greenhouse this winter because it gets mealy bug so often and my greenhouse is regularly inspected by the State of NJ and if they find bugs, they will not permit me to ship until the bugs are gone. I guess it will make a home in the bird room again this winter. Sad
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 17, 2013 2:10 PM CST
You are most welcome, I am happy to help Smiling

It shouldn't be too big a problem, as Frostproof is hardy to zone 7, (0 to -10 degrees) and marginally hardy in zone 6 with some protection. I would ask around and see if anyone else in zone 7 grows Frostproof and how it has performed for them. That is one of the reasons I have it, as a late frost has damaged some blooms and caused them to fall. FrostProof won't. Give these links alook.

http://www.portlandnursery.com/plants/shrubs-vines/gardenia....

http://www.brighterblooms.com/product/frost-proof-gardenia.h...
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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JB
Jul 17, 2013 2:20 PM CST
I thought I read it was not hardy in Zone 7 from Logee....I need to refresh my memory. I would love to leave it where it is if it is hardy in this area. No one around me has one that I know of. Thanks again.
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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JB
Jul 17, 2013 2:26 PM CST
Those links are interesting , thanks.
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 17, 2013 3:28 PM CST
Jacquie, I was thinking other ATP members in Zone 7 might have the same plant and could give you some info on it. The Plant Database does, Horseshoe, is in zone 7A.....and I discovered that you also had a picture in the Database.....

Gardenia (Gardenia jasminoides 'Frostproof')
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Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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JB
Jul 18, 2013 9:21 AM CST
Shoe has sent me some plants in the past and he is such a sweetie, I will talk to him and see what he thinks. I am confused about my Zone. At one time I was in 6, now I am told I am in 7 and I wish I could see a map that actually showed my zone more specifically. Our weather has changed over the past 8 years and I would love to be able to have some of these plants grow. I have the perfect place for this plant and I just may put it in and see what happens. Thanks so much for your help and comments.

This past winter I had both my large 5' tall Amee gardenias get scale and mealy bug in the house. I had a terrible time getting them clean and when I did I put them outside. The younger one survived the winter. I cut them back and will not begin to propagate them again until next year if it survives this winter. I am afraid to put it back inside for fear it is not completely clean in the soil and the stalk. (I keep treating it ).

It seems i had purchased some plants from one of the big growers and fortunately, I never put them in the greenhouse until I am sure they are clean of any critters.....not long after these plants arrived I was loaded with problems. I am not saying the plants were infested when they arrived, but one of them had tiny black insects on it to the point where I threw it out immediately and called them and they said they would send me another. I have not been to eager to purchase any new plants from them again. When you get too big sometimes you can loose control over the inspections for insects, etc.

We will see. Gardenias are so difficult to keep clean and healthy. I am not sure I want to take the time to do it again.
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 18, 2013 10:36 AM CST
Maybe this map is what you are looking for, covers zip code 08562 From what i see, it appears that you are zone 6B according to the updated maps.

http://www.plantmaps.com/08562
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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JB
Jul 18, 2013 11:46 AM CST
Moon, that is a great map, but, if you go to the right side and put the check mark in the Zone 7, it remains the same map....why is that? I thought we were 6B for years and I remember some time back someone told me I was Zone 7. I really would like to clarify it once and for all. I love that map. I live in Burlington County and maybe parts of Burlington County are Zone 7? That may be the reason they have them. ??????????
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 18, 2013 4:24 PM CST
It is my understanding that the boxes to the right of the map are showing you by color what zones are included in your area. The background color of the map is the same as the box checked, in this case, zone 6b. Checking a different box would not change the zone/map unless you changed the location you are looking at.

. If you look at this link, and select your state, it will show you all zones in New Jersey...there are 4 zones in your state: 6a, 6b,7a and 7b. It is quite possible to have areas to your North that may be warmer, or to the South of you that are colder. The zone is determined by a number of factors ....Elevation,proximity to water, (areas North of you that are on the coast can be a warmer zone than you).....and the valley between two mountains would be warmer than the top of the mountain. These areas are called Microclimates. You can have a microclimate in your yard. If you have fence that blocks the north wind and heats up in the sun, that area becomes a microclimate because it is warmer than the other side of the fence. A plant that would freeze and die on one side, may only freeze back and return in the spring. The map link below is the most recent showing the 2012 zone revisions. Some areas have changed zones because the average winter low temperature has increased over the years...concrete, asphalt , steel and brick in cities heat up in the sun and release that heat at night....other considerations like pollution, clouds and even heat from engines can raise the temperature in an area. I hope this helps answer at least some of your questions.

http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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JB
Jul 19, 2013 11:03 AM CST
Moonhowl said:It is my understanding that the boxes to the right of the map are showing you by color what zones are included in your area. The background color of the map is the same as the box checked, in this case, zone 6b. Checking a different box would not change the zone/map unless you changed the location you are looking at.

. If you look at this link, and select your state, it will show you all zones in New Jersey...there are 4 zones in your state: 6a, 6b,7a and 7b. It is quite possible to have areas to your North that may be warmer, or to the South of you that are colder. The zone is determined by a number of factors ....Elevation,proximity to water, (areas North of you that are on the coast can be a warmer zone than you).....and the valley between two mountains would be warmer than the top of the mountain. These areas are called Microclimates. You can have a microclimate in your yard. If you have fence that blocks the north wind and heats up in the sun, that area becomes a microclimate because it is warmer than the other side of the fence. A plant that would freeze and die on one side, may only freeze back and return in the spring. The map link below is the most recent showing the 2012 zone revisions. Some areas have changed zones because the average winter low temperature has increased over the years...concrete, asphalt , steel and brick in cities heat up in the sun and release that heat at night....other considerations like pollution, clouds and even heat from engines can raise the temperature in an area. I hope this helps answer at least some of your questions.

]http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/


What a wonderful explanation. So seldom people take the time to answer questions the way you do. Thanks so much. You are so special. Acorn Thumbs up
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 19, 2013 11:22 AM CST
: I am happy to help.... Thanks, that is sweet of you to say. I tip my hat to you.

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