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Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 19, 2013 12:42 PM CST
I planted 16 roses this spring and, of course, did not get my usual weeding and mulching done on time. Ooops!

Our temps are in the 90s and low triple digits, so I can only work outside for a few hours in the morning and don't have enough time to get the regular summer chores completed before I risk heat stroke ...lol.

I have one weed that I am actually considering reclassifying to a ground cover, so that I can work on the other weeds. Before I get that lazy, I was wondering if anyone can help me ID the weed and let me know if I can either leave it alone and call it a ground cover. Other weeds do not easily penetrated its mass.

I would appreciate any information about ID or how to handle it.

It was the first weed that showed up in my poor soil when I first removed the decorative rock the previous owners of my home had in place, so I am guessing it can grow in poor soil, is drought and cold tolerant. It does much better when it gets water while I water the roses.






I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Jul 19, 2013 1:28 PM CST
I have that in my garden too but don't know what it is. I keep pulling it because I need room for my plants. You are right about describing it as a groundcover, it is very snug. But I think it is literally covered with potential seeds. There is something that grows through it here... morning glory!
Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Jul 19, 2013 3:19 PM CST
I don't know what it is, but if you are content to leave it alone, I'd concentrate on other chores first. It looks nice whatever it is.

I let creeping jennie (which many consider a weed) roll through my beds until it starts covering my planted plants, then I just yank her down to the ground and let her start another cycle. Choose your battles.
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
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JRsbugs
Jul 19, 2013 3:19 PM CST
Could be Creeping Spurge?

http://www.anneofgreengardens.com/2011/07/purge-that-spurge/

http://www.malag.aes.oregonstate.edu/wildflowers/images.php/...

Euphorbia maculata .. or Chamaesyce maculata which is a synonym.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-38086

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphorbia_maculata

http://www.florafinder.com/Species/Chamaesyce_maculata.php

http://luirig.altervista.org/schedenam/fnam.php?taxon=Chamae...

Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 19, 2013 10:32 PM CST
Thank you. I think you have identified my weed. For now, there are worse weeds to attack, so I'll call it ground cover and keep working. It's on the list.

I certainly agree about choosing my battles. I do wish I had been given that advice when I first started this garden. I've never been able to meet my own expectations, but I haven't killed any of the roses I've planted.

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jul 20, 2013 4:51 AM CST
You're welcome Lyn. Smiling

I've started leaving certain 'weeds' in my garden because they are actually wildflowers which insects prefer. A plant is only a weed if you don't want it, many so called weeds are cultivated and sold commercially. We have to be able to change our mindset on what we believe is the 'correct' thing to do. 'Weeds' which grow willingly are usually more tolerant of your soil and weather conditions than commercially cultivated plants, we have been brainwashed by glossy magazines and TV garden programmes. Your wildlife and insects will thank you for leaving nature's choice.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 20, 2013 12:00 PM CST
It's true that we have been brainwashed.

In my main gardening area, the soil was dead and allowing the weeds that would grow has helped break up the soil, so as I have developed the garden, I have considered them to be a tool and the quality of the weeds has improved over time. There are some grasses I like and others that are thugs. I am now working on removing the thugs.

I've allowed self heel to invade my small patch of lawn because there is no stopping it, but I am not fond of dandelions.

I've imported a few weeds and there is no doubt that they are invasive, but if I am going to have weeds, I think I should have weeds I like. I do like to keep them out of the rose beds, because the roses are my passion and finding the roses that do well in my climate has been fun.

I garden on four levels.... I just haven't got the time management part down well enough to make my garden look like those in magazines, but I do have it so that it entertains me a lot more than when I started. Improving soil is hard work, but now I am enjoying the results of that effort.

Smiles,
Lyn

I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jul 20, 2013 12:30 PM CST
I have Self Heal too! I'm growing very fond if it, if it gets into a place with bare soil which is reasonably fertile and partly shaded it grows much bigger, more attractive than many plants. At first I thought like many people do, it spoils the 'lawn' but I soon learnt that I don't have a 'lawn', I have meadow grass which will support many wildflowers if given the chance. I took over the garden with a good 3" of moss (which I like but it chokes everything else and dies in dry weather). I tried to rid the grass of moss by mowing to the soil, then fed the grass which worked for a season then the soil was once more leached of nutrients as it's sandy and acidic.

White Clover started to take hold, I let it spread and it fed the soil as it produces nitrogenous nodules on the roots. Now the grass gets one cut when it starts to grow well and maybe another later nearer winer, I let the rest do it's thing and I'm getting many different wildflowers. I walk around the beds a lot taking photos of insects so I have a beaten path. My neighbours cut their grass to the bone, with the current heat we are getting it's dying while mine may be well trodden and looking a bit less lush it is not suffering.

Dandelions are great in the right place, I have them growing on the south side of a hedge and they provide nectar and pollen for many early bees. They are better to look at that nothing. Hilarious!

Save your energy, do what suits you and enjoy the rewards which far outweigh a sterile garden. You are already doing that, congratulations! Thumbs up
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 20, 2013 2:25 PM CST
I like Self Heal, too. (Thanks for the spelling correction) It also tolerates and thrives in full sun, poor soil and with little water. Of course, it does look better with more water. It also attracts pollenators as does my white clover. I really don't have a lawn and never wanted one. I inherited Mrs. J's patch of weeds and have been whittling away at it so that it gets smaller every time I come up with a new idea.

It sounds like you know the "why" of what you are doing, while, I, on the other hand, am just kind of bumbling along.

I do wish I could find a way to keep the wild violets out of the rose beds, their roots choke the feeder roots of all competing plants.

Thanks for the encouragement.

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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eclayne
Jul 21, 2013 6:47 PM CST

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Thanks to all who posted here and the ID Janet. Like pardalinum I see it, I pull it. I view it in a different light after reading your discussion. Even when large the roots seem to be fairly shallow, at least it's easy to pull. I think I'll start treating Spotted Spurge (Euphorbia maculata) like Purslane (Portulaca oleracea), leave it alone here and there. Your photos are quite nice Lyn, would you mind if I added them to the database?
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Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 21, 2013 7:04 PM CST
Please feel free to use the photos.

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Jul 21, 2013 7:10 PM CST

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Thanks Lyn
Evan
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jul 22, 2013 2:47 AM CST
I'm pleased to have cast a different light on 'weeds' Evan. Light casts different shadows depending on which angle you view it from. Hilarious!

I did the same with my large area of grass Lyn, but I collected plants I liked and had a vision of what I wanted to do with the garden. Amazingly the plants fitted perfectly in the new beds I made as if to order!
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 22, 2013 9:03 AM CST
We live in different climates and different parts of the US. Any suggestions as to what I should collect ?

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jul 22, 2013 9:52 AM CST
And we live in different countries! Hilarious! Northern California covers a large area and has a lot of mountains, and a very diverse climate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_California

If I knew which part you lived in and what type of climate you have I might be able to make suggestions, but the best suggestions would come from people who know and understand your particular part of the world.



Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 22, 2013 2:28 PM CST
So true.

I live an old gold mining town called Weaverville. Since the Trinity Alps are located in this county we also have all the different climate zones. I live at 2200 ft elevation. As you come up from the San Juaquin Valley up to Weaverville you can see the vegetation change. As you go up to the higher elevations, it continues to change. Then of course, the further west you go, the more possibility of the ocean influence. Lots of undeveloped land and lots of wildlife.

http://www.cnplx.info/nplx/cprofile?cc=TRI

http://www.trinitycounty.com/Visit/doSub.php?n=250&f=Gallery...


Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Jul 22, 2013 4:05 PM CST
Thanks for the links Lyn, I had a wonderful trip through Weaverville! It's good to know there are still undeveloped places for wildlife.

There's your answer, did you click on the link on the right of your second link, Wild Plants in Trinity County - Native Plants? By clicking on the blue crosses you will get a list and many photos of native plants.

http://www.cnplx.info/nplx/nplx?page=match&countylist=Trinit...
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 22, 2013 5:09 PM CST
I do collect seeds. We have to be careful about collecting actual plants because many are protected and/or on Federal land.

I haven't researched which ones to include into my "lawn", but will spend time on that project this winter. Right now we are going through another heat wave, so that's got my full attention in the garden.

Some wildlife is quite welcome, but right now my best friend has been dealing with a 400lb bear that has decided he wants to live on her property. She does not have many positive things to say about the experience.

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Jul 23, 2013 9:37 AM CST
Oh my, Rose, that would scare the bejesus out of me.
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 23, 2013 10:04 AM CST
Me, too. If I told the whole story, it would be worse. For now, the dang bear is fishing in her pond, monitoring her garbage, trying to get into the house, taking down fences from her vegetable garden, checking out her berry bushes, etc. But it is the close encounters that scare me beyond reason.

Aint' wildlife grand ??? Smiling

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.

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