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Aug 29, 2010 9:55 AM CST
Name: pam
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Could you show or list your DIPS that have the strongest scapes...you know, they stand up. Also which have good garden habits and make nice looking plants.
I started buying DIPS again and want to make sure Im crossing them with some sturdy 'stock'

thanks
pam
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Aug 29, 2010 10:58 AM CST
Name: Juli
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I had a message typed and clicked something and oops....

Anyway, I was going to cmail you to tell you how to start a thread, but I see you figured it out. Cubits is a bit different, but if you poke around a bit, you can usually find out what you want. Never hesitate to ask though!

What are you looking for in a dip? Spider, Round, UF? Scapes that are thick? Well branched? Lots of buds? Not sure exactly what you mean by strong... could be several things. And, important to know what form of flower, and even color you would like on top of that scape.

I don't grow a lot of dips anymore - although many of my seedlings seem to be dips.... LOL

One dip I can think of that has nearly Tet like strong oak tree like scapes is Warrell's Chief Black Hand. That thing could fool an expert into thinking it is a tet, with it's huge scapes, branching and high bud count.

I have not grown it in many years, and back when I did I didn't have the greatest of camera, but this will give you an idea what it looks like. It's a sooty blackish purple spidery.

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Aug 29, 2010 11:46 AM CST
Name: Betty
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CONDILLA -- but it's a little guy. has good scapes for me, though.
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Aug 29, 2010 12:04 PM CST
Name: pam
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I dont know why I have such trouble with dip scapes. Im getting tired tho, of holding them up with tomatoe cages. Certainly, if I made my own, which Im trying to do, I want it to stand up. Thanks for your suggestions. It might just be me not giving them enough fertilizer or something. Maybe a little more attention next year is in order.
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Aug 29, 2010 3:22 PM CST
Name: Juli
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Really? I can only think of a handful in all the years of growing that fell over. Jersey Spider for one. I rarely fertilize. Maybe that is it?
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Aug 30, 2010 10:34 AM CST
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I find the thin flimsy scapes don't hold up to wind. However, the strong thick ones, seem to burst more often for me.
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Aug 30, 2010 11:10 AM CST
Name: pam
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LOL...so where does that leave me....only buying TET's ;-) ???
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Aug 31, 2010 6:48 AM CST
Name: Diana
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Janice Brown, Dip, Sev, EM, 4.25", 21"

This plant is shorter than most, but always stands up straight and blooms like crazy. It's semi-evergreen, but hardy in my zone 5a. These are 3 year old clumps.
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Aug 31, 2010 7:12 AM CST
Name: Diana
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Raspberry Wine, (Wild, Dip, Dor, ML, 5", 20")

This is another shorter dip. I have no problems with it falling over and it's in a windy spot, but again, it's short. Bud count is 7 to 10/scape. This is a 4 year old clump

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Aug 31, 2010 7:30 AM CST
Name: Diana
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Nanuq, (Jinkerson,Dip, Sev, Mla, 5", 27")

Nanuq is taller than the other two and doesn't fall over. I don't know the bud count. Clump picture was taken in August near the end of it's bloom time.
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Aug 31, 2010 7:46 AM CST
Name: Juli
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Do you like mini's? Mary Ethel Anderson has super scapes, reblooms here, and sets pods easily. High bud count, great branching.

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Aug 31, 2010 8:06 AM CST
Name: pam
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Mary Ethal is 'my girl' I love that little daylily. Our daylily club sponsors a show in May, we have a special award for MEA.
Ive gotten attached to minis...maybe from going to the Salters and wandering thru all Hers. Maybe from the minis at the show...so many and so perfect. They dont get alot of attention, but am adding more to my garden.

Witches Thimble did actually when best in show.
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Aug 31, 2010 11:45 AM CST
Name: Diana
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Here's a cute mini double. I've had it for several years. It's a cutie, but not a heavy bloomer where I have it planted. It gets a little lost in the crowd.

Small Gesture, (Stamile-G., 1997)
height 16", bloom 2.5", season M, Rebloom, Semi-Evergreen, Diploid, Double , Melon pink blend with rose eyezone and green throat. (Bubbly × You Angel You)

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Aug 31, 2010 1:39 PM CST
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Lavender Blue Baby is very sturdy, as well as American Revolution, Wilson Spider, Dallas Star, Winyah Showoff, Pastel Classic, Big Kiss, Gentle Blessings, Oceanside, Indian Giver, a lot of the dip doubles like, Country Pride, Peach Magnolia, Scatterbrain, New Swirls, Louise Mercer.
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Sep 1, 2010 6:57 PM CST
Name: Sunny
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I have seen lots of dips with good scapes, but if I were to pick a few that are commonly confused with tets, I would choose :
Stack The Deck - E. Shooter, purple, with amazing scapes
Regency Heights - Dougherty, an older unusual lavender color
Smokescream - Jamie Gossard, unusual coloring and markings, purplish
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Sep 3, 2010 4:22 AM CST
Name: Fred Manning
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The strongest scape I have is our first introduction, when it first bloomed I though it was a Tet because it was so thick. I have kept it in the background of most of my UF intros because of the scape. It carries this trait to the seedlings and because its a yellow self its very easy to change the bloom color in of the seedlings. The only dips I do any longer are ufs so I can't recommend any other form. "LILLIAN KATHLEEN" 2000 intro. Thumb of 2010-09-03/spunky1/335656
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Apr 21, 2016 5:57 AM CST
Name: Dnd
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I just came across this thread while researching Smoke Scream and I, too, am always on the lookout for dips with strong, thick scapes. Here are a couple I can add to the strong dips list:

*Jungle Beauty* (extremely strong scapes for a dip, high bud and branch count)

*Titan of Ice* (incredibly strong scapes for a dip... But also has huge blooms with very thick substance, so if you're in a high wind area, those thick scapes and petals could catch the wind, and crack at the weakest point, which is likely the crown. That happened to me last year when my plant was brand new and not well-established in my garden yet. For what it's worth, I staked it and it bloomed out fine the remainder of the season, but a month or two later succumbed to rot, likely from the crack at the crown combined with poorly-draining clay soil.)
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Apr 21, 2016 11:21 AM CST
Name: Vickie
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This is not a good picture of the diploid Hakuna Matata, it is a beautiful lavender color (not sure why my pics in the database look like they do), but it is one of the sturdiest in my garden and gets about 4 feet tall. Plus it has very good branching, as you can see in the picture, and it blooms mid to late-July when other daylilies have waned.

I fell in love with it a few years ago in a sellers garden, had already overspent that day, but just knew I had to have this one! So glad that I got it Smiling



Cindy said Indian Giver and Diana mentioned Raspberry Wine. I have both and they are good ones. The scapes are not too thick, but they definitely stand up. And Raspberry Wine is a bud builder in my garden. Other dips that I have that I think hold themselves up well are: Lavender Blue Baby (parent of Hakuna Matata), James River Rose, Savannah Debutante, and Jean Swann, to name a few.

Definitely would not include Noel Weston in this group. I don't think it has ever had a scape stand up in my garden. Why in the world I have had it for going on 9 years, I do not know!
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Apr 21, 2016 1:49 PM CST
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Beautiful Edgings, Fancy Face, Blizzard Blast (tall UF), Indian Giver, Westbourne Foul Weather Sunrise, Westbourne Harvest Moon all have strong scapes for me. I have a couple of DIPs that are new so cannot comment on them. The only one I do know I have that flops some is WITCH's STICK.
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Apr 21, 2016 3:16 PM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
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'Beautiful Edgings' mostly stands up for me, but a big plus in its favor is that it has rust resistance (ATP score 1.3). 'Newberry White Dove' always does. If you like somewhat spidery daylilies, 'Gadsden Icicle' has no problems standing upright, either.







Sadly, I agree on 'Jersey Spider'. I bought it years ago because DH was born and raised in New Jersey - but while it has beautiful flowers, the scapes are very weak, and the whole clump has to be supported when in bloom.
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