Daylilies forum: Hybridizing For Blue

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Name: Joe Hawkins
Ontario , Canada (Zone 5b)
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spiderjoe
Dec 28, 2013 10:17 AM CST
If you got the latest AHS daylily journal (vol.68 No.4 . winter 2013) you probably read the article OUT OF BLUE. This article has several hybridizers explaining their approach toward the blue daylily or so called blue daylily.

I don't have much experience working with blue daylilies, but here are a few good ideas that I pulled from the article.
Sandy Holmes - Has observed that blue most often appears when she crosses smoky grey watermarks with dark eyed or patterned eyed daylilies. Moldovan told her that the greener the throat , the better the chance of blue. I agree
Ludlow Lambertson - His first thoughts of bringing blue to the surface were by using a white canvas to clarify the colors. I agree

Now that I have a few good ideas I know which way to jump. The rest is trial and error.

I think most people are crossing blue with blue or crossing pattern with pattern ; in hopes that they will get something good. You got to think outside of the box and create your own.

Some of the blue daylilies from Florida are not so blue when you bring them north and the white backgrounds usually looks yellow. Some pictures don't always depict the true colour or average bloom. So do your homework and you will be off to a good start.

If anyone is working toward blue share your experience. I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Dec 28, 2013 10:47 AM CST
I haven't read the article yet but thanks for sharing that. The closest I got to blue was a dip cross I made of Jester's Collar x Willie Belle. Wasn't trying for blue at all and I got this seedling with a little hint of blue in it:




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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Dec 28, 2013 10:58 AM CST
This seedling also has a hint of blue, SEXY SALLY X STARGATE PORTAL

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Name: Betty
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Betja
Dec 28, 2013 11:08 AM CST
Welcome! Joe! I haven't read the article yet, but I'm so glad that you are working on this project and hope you will share pictures of some of your results with us from time to time. Very interesting subject!

I haven't thought about trying for blue myself, but I do have one of Grace Stamile's little diploid minis, LITTLE BLOOM RIDER, that always reminds me of a lighter blue whenever I see it in bloom. It has a sort of metallic looking eye that sometimes seems to have a green overlay, and it always seems to remind me of a baby blue color, even though it's not. Here are three of my garden shots of LITTLE BLOOM RIDER:

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If I personally were trying for blue I think I would somehow try to incorporate that daylily into my program. You probably have others that would be much better, but that is the bluest one I've found so far.

I wish you luck on this quest, and I know we'd love to see pictures of your blues!

Betty
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Dec 28, 2013 12:43 PM CST
Nice one Betty Thumbs up
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Name: James
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JWWC
Dec 28, 2013 1:48 PM CST
Hemlady said:Nice one Betty Thumbs up

I agree

That's one I want to add eventually.

I would also speculate that soil conditions play at least a small role, particularly in regional color variations.

I like the blues (one of the things that drew me into this) and I'm adding quite a few this spring.
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Dec 28, 2013 3:04 PM CST
JWWC said:
I agree

That's one I want to add eventually.

I would also speculate that soil conditions play at least a small role, particularly in regional color variations.

I like the blues (one of the things that drew me into this) and I'm adding quite a few this spring.


I agree about soil conditions playing a small role.

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Name: Theresa Maris
Bowling Green,KY (Zone 6b)
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tgarden711
Dec 30, 2013 9:03 AM CST
Welcome Joe Welcome! I am very interested in anything about hybridizing because I am going to attempt a little backyard hybridizing myself this year. I would like to know what it means to use a white canvas to clarify color?
Name: Joe Hawkins
Ontario , Canada (Zone 5b)
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spiderjoe
Dec 30, 2013 10:02 AM CST
Using a white canvas means that you are taking the whitest daylily you can find and using that as your base colour. For example you can take HEAVENLY ANGEL ICE and use the pollen of STARGATE PORTAL
Name: Teresa
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Dec 30, 2013 2:23 PM CST
hmm, never heard it called a canvas. Both are great dls tho. I love to dabble at real painting so I was intrigued by the wording. I am sure you have some pics of you seedling to post, Joe. Please do it helps us get thru the winter when nothing is blooming Angry
Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Dec 30, 2013 10:36 PM CST
Welcome Joe Welcome!
Thanks so much for the information on crossing for
blue.

I'm working toward blues, but so far all I manage to get
are varying degrees of lavender. Will utilize some of
your info for sure.
Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Dec 31, 2013 6:10 AM CST
I have had such a bad luck with crown rot and tet blue eyed daylilies here that I don't hybridize with them very much. Now that I am doing a lot more dips I may do a few of them.
This is a dip I did not expect to have this amount of blue
LILLIAN KATHLEEN X LOOPY LOO
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Dec 31, 2013 8:03 AM CST
Oooh, very nice Fred. Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up
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Name: Teresa
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Dec 31, 2013 8:06 AM CST
Very NICE! Happy New Year, guys!
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Dec 31, 2013 8:06 AM CST
Happy New Year!!!
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Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Betja
Dec 31, 2013 11:10 AM CST
That's a fantastic looking seedling, Fred!

Betty
Name: Michele
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tink3472
Dec 31, 2013 12:09 PM CST
That's the one that may come up missing Whistling
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Name: Gerry Donahue
Pleasant Lake, IN (Zone 5b)
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profesora
Dec 31, 2013 1:31 PM CST
Will most blue daylilies pass on the color?

Please name a couple that pass on blue. My knowledge of daylily genetics is very limited.

Gerry
Name: Joe Hawkins
Ontario , Canada (Zone 5b)
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spiderjoe
Dec 31, 2013 8:24 PM CST
Lavender Blue Baby , Blue Oasis , Crystal Blue Persuasion , Star Child

James Gossards BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON looks very blue. Does anyone have a picture of it in your garden I tip my hat to you.
Name: Mona
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monalisa18
Jan 21, 2014 9:03 PM CST
Fred, If your baby was a tet, I'd be high steppin it to your neck of the South to beat Michele out of getting this one. But, alas, she's a dip and I'm doing my darned best not to add any new dips to my garden. I've looked back this past year and some of the best "Eyes and Patterns" are coming from dips, so it's hard to stay away from them. She sure is a beauty!!

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