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Name: Chris
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goldfinch4
May 12, 2014 4:09 AM CST

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This semp which I purchased as 'Gloconda' is doing some strange things. I was looking for other pictures of Gloconda, and I think this might be a wrong ID. When it was young it did look to be the correct plant.
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This year it just looks too red.
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But the thing I found really strange is how many of the offsets seem to be getting stripes in the leaves.
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I think this one is really cool!
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@valleylynn @JungleShadows @banker07 anyone - what do you all think? Gloconda or not?

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banker07
May 12, 2014 4:54 AM CST
Chris, we only have two summer-photos of Gloconda and it is not very popular in german collections;

I've asked our photograph for a newer spring-photo and will show it here;

I know nothing about that variety and we all know how different photos can be; there are some differences between the clone we have on our homepage and yours - but that can be caused by different quantity of sun or differences in soil;

the main appearence looks good - a mainly green variety with long cilia at the leaves;

some red colour in spring isn't unusual for such variety;

you have a very nice plant - it looks very pretty Thumbs up

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Name: Chris
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goldfinch4
May 12, 2014 5:31 AM CST

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Thanks for your response and help Peter. Will look forward to seeing your updated photos.
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banker07
May 12, 2014 6:50 AM CST
here it is - now I'm sure we have a different clone;

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but I don't know if our clone is the right one Confused

it's really common and absolutely nothing special - I like yours more Big Grin

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Cahac
May 12, 2014 8:14 AM CST
Chris,
I don't have that plant but just a thought. It may be turning back all green from outside inward and the stripe is all that is left of the red. See if it doesn't disappear soon. I have a Raspberry Ice that does that.
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StaticAsh
May 12, 2014 10:05 AM CST
I agree, the one in the 4th pic is really cool! Thumbs up
Name: Chris
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goldfinch4
May 12, 2014 11:51 AM CST

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Thanks Peter - that was fast! I like mine better too! The pictures don't do it justice. The colors are really bright and you notice it immediately in a bed of semps. I got it in mid-summer last year and it remained green the rest of the year.

Interesting thought Cliff....I'll definitely keep an eye on it.

JC, would be great if the red stripe was permanent on the leaves!

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valleylynn
May 12, 2014 8:15 PM CST

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I agree with Peter. It won't be long before it will be all green again. What a lovely semp. Here is a photo of Gloconda in spring colors. http://www.smgsucculents.com/Sempervivum%20Gloconda
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pardalinum
May 12, 2014 8:33 PM CST
I must say that one is a beauty. Lovey dubby
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valleylynn
May 12, 2014 8:36 PM CST

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It sure is. Lovey dubby
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gg5
May 12, 2014 11:50 PM CST
Lovely semp Chris! Did you get it from SMG??
Peter you are right that yours looks like several others (Hester, Helveticum are 2 that come to mind) Shrug!
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Name: Chris
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goldfinch4
May 13, 2014 1:36 AM CST

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Yes, I got it from SMG. Thanks for everybody's input!
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Eviesmummy
May 16, 2014 1:44 PM CST
Oh that's so pretty Chris! I love it!
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Name: Chris
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goldfinch4
May 17, 2014 1:44 AM CST

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Thanks Kate. I really like the form this one has too, as well as the unusual markings!
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valleylynn
May 17, 2014 6:37 AM CST

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Peter, what does your look like at different times of the year?
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banker07
May 17, 2014 7:06 AM CST
Lynn, it's not mine - it belongs to Beatrix Bodmeier;

here is a summer-photo:

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and this one is from the homepage of Volkmar Schara - I don't know any other german source for Gloconda;

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I know that André Smits has it in his collection - but there is no photo of it; and I guess that Volkmar gets his from André...

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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 17, 2014 9:26 AM CST

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It will be interesting to see what Chris's will look like in another month or two. She came into spring colors much later and we did, because of her winter weather this year.
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banker07
May 17, 2014 10:51 AM CST
yes - but the red colour comming up from the middle is a fact; it faded after early spring and becomes more green;

the other clone we have is a green typ with big brown edges in early spring; this colour faded too....but that is another "species" of cultivar;

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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 17, 2014 12:02 PM CST

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Maybe next spring you can get a red stage photo of it?
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banker07
May 18, 2014 12:43 AM CST
Lynn I guess there's a misunderstanding....sorry;

the clone with the red colour at spring I've described is that one from Chris;

in europe we have only the other one I've described as second; it has no red colour at spring and so it is another clone indeed;

Peter

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