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Name: Cliff Hughes
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Cahac
May 16, 2014 6:34 PM CST
I have a odd question about a semp.






Alright you Guys & Gals ,I have a odd question.
Is a chick from a particular hen, considered to be the same as the mother plant? even tho it is totally different, color & form. and also just when the color.is different?
I have a pot of several young hens of Ashes of Roses all are the standard dark red with lots of cilla . several of those have a chick of a more orange red w/cilla (these most likely will darken with age) but 1 hen has 2 really orange chicks.with watermarks and a smooth no fuzz center. the stolens are still there but they are rooted. i got a couple pics but my camera isn't the greatest .
think of the pot as a clock and down at the front right at about the 5 location is the 1 w/the 2 orange ones. Will try to get better pics over the weekend
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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
May 16, 2014 11:43 PM CST
Cliff interesting question...I think sometimes a random chick gets mixed into the pot, since in the nursery they are usually grown very close to one another. So I would have you double check that those chicks are actually attached to the momma?? And per my info - yes the chicks are exact copies of the momma. When you have semps grown from seed is where the difference comes in - seed semps are not genetically the same as parent plants.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 17, 2014 12:01 AM CST

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Here I am Cliff and Greg. Thanks for the call out Greg. Thumbs up

Cliff, Greg is correct. The offsets are clones of the mother rosette. The offsets may not look identical to the hen when young, but will when mature. But the main characteristics would still be there. Like the fuzzyness, or cilia along the leaves and tip of leaves.

Check closely to see if the stolon is attached to the rosette. Greg could be right in thinking that a stray plant got mixed in. It does happen on occasion.
Also watch to see if they end up developing the same characteristics of the mature rosette in the next few months.
It sure does look like a different semp though. I am seeing two offsets with watermarks that don't look at all like the mature rosettes, no fuzziness and not cilia lining the leaves.
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goldfinch4
May 17, 2014 1:35 AM CST

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I'm in agreement - they do look different from the rest.... Will be interesting to see more pics as they mature.
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banker07
May 17, 2014 1:49 AM CST
I agree with Greg and Lynn;

can't imagine the two smooth chicks are from the hen between...

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Name: Kevin Vaughn
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May 18, 2014 10:22 AM CST
Could either be a stray offset or a stray seedling that was not noted by the dealer. Often times the seedlings hide among the leaves of the parent (which is why you should always cut off the bloomstalks after they finish blooming (or before if you don't like the blooms) if you aren't raising seed from that cultivar. That was a major cause of confusion when we did the Dalton project. There would be several correct rosettes among several wrong ones!

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valleylynn
May 18, 2014 10:27 AM CST

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I agree Ask me how I know. Whistling

I am still finding new seedlings popping up in the beds. Very easy to distinguish seedling from offset when in the baby seedling stage. I have been much more vigilant about removing bloomstalks as soon as they start fading, before seed is actually set. Hurray!

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