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May 24, 2014 6:08 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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It cannot be an Alocasia as this genus doesn't occur in Brazil.

There are 4 species of Xanthosoma registered in the Atlantic rainforest of the Rio de Janeiro state.

Xanthosma maximilianii
Xanthosoma pentaphyllum
Xanthosoma taioba
Xanthosoma riedelianum

It is none of the first 3, unfortunately I cannot find any photos or even herbarium species of X.riedelianum on the web.

The plant was growing in the shade on a very steep, almost vertical slope with a stream underneath heading to the river. It was difficult to take good photos as I had to stand on the crumbling edge of the slope, the plant was tall, and I found the leaf shape interesting, different from the other species I've met during this trip or my previous trip 4 years ago.

I'm not entirely sure but I think it had the beginning of an inflorescence coming up. A pity I couldn't come closer by and take better and more detailed shots.
In the hope to find a bloom about week later, I returned to the same spot, but alas the poor plant had been destroyed by a heavy monsoon, it had probably been washed down and taken by the stream. What a shame! Sad
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May 24, 2014 7:30 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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I searched for the subspecies of Xanthosoma brancoanum which (Xanthosoma riedelianum var. brancoanum) is listed as a synonym of Xanthosoma riedelianum on the Plant List Myriam.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tp...

I found a specimen of that which is on Kew, you can't enlarge it but it doesn't look correct.

http://plants.jstor.org/specim...

There's drawings of leaf shapes of Xanthosoma species on plantillustrations, you can see how difficult it is..

http://plantillustrations.org/...
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May 24, 2014 7:42 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Found this when googling re: Xanthosoma riparium:

http://www.cabdirect.org/abstr...

http://www.jstor.org/discover/...

And, this says Xanthosoma sagittifolium grows in Brazil:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...
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May 24, 2014 7:59 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Thanks Janet! Smiling No it doesn't look like the herbarium sp on Kew of Xanthosoma riedelianum.
I know it would be very difficult, but can I call it Xanthosoma sp. or are there other genera that could be candidate?
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May 24, 2014 8:03 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Thanks Lin, I'm sure it isn't Xanthosoma saggitifolium and Xanthosoma riparium (Central Brazil) has not been registered in the place I was which is the South-East of Brazil at least according to the Flora do Brasil.
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May 24, 2014 8:20 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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This site says X. sagittifolium is popular in several states in Southeastern Brazil: http://www.worldcrops.org/crop... but I guess it's not a native.

Maybe you can put your photo's in the general Xanthosoma entry in the database until you can get an exact ID.
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May 24, 2014 8:35 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Yes I know Lin, Xanthosoma sagittifolium is also growing in the place I was and I had already submitted photos of that plant from my previous trip, but the plant I posted here is really different and cannot be it.
I was planning to put the photos into the general Xanthosoma page but wanted to make sure it is the correct genus. Smiling
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May 24, 2014 8:45 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: United States of America Region: Ukraine Region: Florida Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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It sure is pretty and looks to have the form and growth habit of Xanthosoma. I love that tall (Bird of Paradise?, Palm?, Musa?) plant growing in the background too! Lovey dubby
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May 24, 2014 9:17 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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It is Musa paradisiaca Lin, native to Brazil.
I love banana trees, they are very beautiful, so generous to so many species of wildlife! Smiling
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May 24, 2014 9:22 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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bonitin said:Thanks Janet! Smiling No it doesn't look like the herbarium sp on Kew of Xanthosoma riedelianum.
I know it would be very difficult, but can I call it Xanthosoma sp. or are there other genera that could be candidate?


To me, it looks like a Xanthosoma sp., the leaves are very similar to the line drawings. If it turns out to be something else it can be moved but I doubt it is something else.
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May 24, 2014 10:46 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Thanks Janet, Xanthosoma sp. it will be for now.. Smiling
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May 24, 2014 10:51 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
Bee Lover Plant Identifier Organic Gardener Dragonflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
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