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May 26, 2014 4:46 PM CST
| So many creative names out there, what is stopping a back yard breeder from raising seedlings, naming them and putting on the market? So how does one get to have a Sempervivum name that is recognized by collectors or on these lists? |
List of cultivars: http://miklanek.tripod.com/MCS...
List of cultivars: http://www.sempervivum.info/li...
Horst Diehm: http://translate.google.com/tr......
Japanese site: http://www.succulents.jp/galle...
Fernwood Nursery: http://www.fernwood-nursery.co...
List of Jovibarba: http://miklanek.tripod.com/MCS...
Carlo De Wilde: http://www.carlodewilde.nl/lis...
Sempervivum species list: http://www.fernwood-nursery.co...
A wonderful site to see what is going on in Europe with sempervivum. Use google translate to see in other languages: http://sempervivum-liste.de/
Sempervivum list, Erwin Geiger: http://www.semper-vivum.de/
Peter Lapshin: http://www.lapshin.org/nikita/...
Piante Grasse: A new Italian publication specializing in succulent plants. In English or Italian. http://piantegrassejournal.it/...
SEMPERVIVOPHILIA: A very informative site. You can choose to read it in English, French, German, Spanish and Italian. http://stalikez.info/fsm/semp/...
A free forum with lots of great reference material: http://sempervivum.aforumfree....
If they are not rating them with an educated eye, we will have so many inferior named semps out there. Not everyone has a teacher like we have.
Sempervivum for Sale
May 26, 2014 5:15 PM CST
|Great compilation of lists!|
I've wondered this too. It's kind of scary if someone with my lack of knowledge/experience could just start naming seedlings and selling them to an unscrupulous retailer.
May 26, 2014 5:48 PM CST
|I didn't compile the lists they are on this site to the right under reference. I use them all the time very helpful. But if they are not on these collectors lists or Google then is it a legitimate cultivar or not? |
There are over 4000 and counting. How do we know there are that many? Are they good, bad or ugly? Just wondering?
Sempervivum for Sale
May 26, 2014 6:56 PM CST
|Ah, thanks. I need to explore this site more.|
May 26, 2014 7:02 PM CST
|Good question Spring...if you want feedback from Kevin, Peter, Lynn, - then you have to call them - you know using the @ thingy |
here they come soon I'm sure!
May 26, 2014 7:10 PM CST
|Hehe thanks. I don't like to bother them. |
I've also stumbled across another situation - people naming their seedlings and selling direct (like through E-Bay).
May 26, 2014 7:17 PM CST
|Bother away!! (I'll speak for them haha!) |
May 26, 2014 7:25 PM CST
|There is a good reason to not buy from ebay (if you care about correctly named plants). Most of the major commonly grown (popular) garden plants have an "official" registry where names are recorded along with very detailed (usually) descriptions. I don't think there is a registry for sempervivums, just "lists"?|
May 26, 2014 7:27 PM CST
|Connie you are right - no semp registry...yet!! |
May 26, 2014 7:33 PM CST
|That's quite surprising.|
I guess I always just assumed there was a comprehensive registry somewhere.
May 26, 2014 8:02 PM CST
|Who wants to make the list? Greg, Lynn, J.C. Over 4000!! |
Greg thanks for the call out.
Sempervivum for Sale
May 26, 2014 8:10 PM CST
May 27, 2014 2:07 AM CST
|very interesting thread Julia |
it's an old problem that there are a lot of lists but nothing official;
that's the cause why we've built our homepage www.sempervivum-liste.de on the background of a database I had built out of all that available lists around in the net;
I've taken every single item and compared them.....and the result has gone online;
then we tried to get photos for each entry; our users tried to buy all the available cultivars - we traveled to the big collections to make photos - we call breeders to get original photos from them......
but new breeders appear (for example Sue Thomas or Dagmar Petrlikova) and we have to expand our list permanently; we always try to get informations about the breeder, the year of release and the parents; but sometimes a nice plant with a new name appears and we find nothing about it;
it has to be something unique to get into our list without information - or we record it if a big seller like Erwin Geiger or Volkmar Schara add it to their offer....
it's a hard and permanent work and we look around all over the world; I think our list is one of the most actual and complete - but we won't record every common Semps only because it has a name;
May 27, 2014 10:27 AM CST
|Thank you Peter. That helps so much. |
Sempervivum for Sale
May 27, 2014 9:43 PM CST
|So now, when we go out shopping at nurseries we need to carry one of those modern gadgets so we can look up names and compare photos online before buying. |
I have no desire to own a Smart Phone, so what other gadget would work?
May 27, 2014 10:19 PM CST
|Tablets, although they can perhaps be a bit unwieldy. But they would be better for larger semp pics.|
May 28, 2014 4:22 AM CST
|Do you have one J. C.?|
May 28, 2014 11:28 AM CST
|Nope, I am technology-minded, but quite against many of the current technological devices that remove human interaction. |
I no longer even have a cell phone... (I commuted an hour to work for about 8 years and nearly got in literally hundreds of car wrecks due to people texting or on their cell phone).
Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
May 29, 2014 5:26 PM CST
|When the Sempervivum Society was still active they were the official registration authority for the genus. Since they have folded there is no official authority. Peter Mitchell got all my records for the ones that were released in the first part of my "career" so all that information was recorded and he published a preliminary list of names to that point, probably ~800. |
I have tried to correct a few entries on the Slovakian list without much luck. For some reason Shirley Rempel was given credit for 'Jungle Fires' but it;s definitely mine.
Peter's web site is certainly the most up-to-date and researched and I thank him for trying to keep things in order. It is no easy business in a genus known for misnamed plants! When Toby and I decide on the next group of names I will send Peter more photos and descriptions for his site.
What we really need is a society with a designated registrar. Maybe after the iris convention is over next spring I can try to organize a Sempervivum Society again. I think there is certainly interest out there but with the potential of 800 people coming to my yard ALL THINGS have to wait until after that!
May 29, 2014 6:23 PM CST
|Thanks Kevin for info!!! Always intersting! (And I may crash your party so plan on 801 people hehe!) |