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Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
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tink3472
Jun 4, 2014 7:43 PM CST
Gleni said:WILD DREAMS x ROSE F KENNEDY siblings. Is it really that beautiful, Tink?


Yes it is Smiling
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Name: Lyle
Phoenix
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lyle627
Jun 4, 2014 9:13 PM CST
SPACECOAST IRISH ILLUMINATION X FLORENCE DENNY
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Sib to above
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Sdlg X Sdlg
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BORN TO RUN X TALLADEGA
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WILD CHERRY ROUND UP X IRISH HALO
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Future double seedling..
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These seedlings are from my friend Jeff Corbett, those of you on the west coast know Jeff for intros like BONNIE HOLLEY (top vote getter in the Region 7 pop poll for several years), SHELTER COVE, and others.

Sdlg.L203C (Happy Happy x Precious Candy)
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Sdlg.L177C (Tropical Smoothie x Happy Happy
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(Rock Candy x Happy Happy)
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Name: Tina
Where the desert meets the sea (Zone 9b)
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chalyse
Jun 4, 2014 9:18 PM CST
It's a shame that BORN TO RUN X TALLADEGA did not turn out at all well. In fact, it would really benefit from relocation to northern california - I'm sure the soil here would correct all that is wrong with it. Would you like some help getting that one off your hands?! Whistling *crosses fingers*

Oh, and super double ... looks like it has fabulous form! :D
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Name: Glen Ingram
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Gleni
Jun 5, 2014 12:04 AM CST
Goodness, Lyle, the first one should be called RAPTOR. Love it. L177C is ewe-catching.
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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jun 5, 2014 12:52 AM CST
I agree and superb ancestry! Hurray!

A question for you all: There is a saying that you must build your house before you paint it. Meaning that you assemble the physical attributes you desire early in a breeding program, and by doing so you will then become free to concentrate on colors, markings, etc., later on without needing to double-back again much to fix the basic foundation.

So, what are the physical attributes, not the colors or patterns, that you think are most important to work out first, then? The "must haves." I know each breeder will differ, and the registration club will have their own ideas and rules, but what of everything you've heard/seen/tried did you find the most compelling? Did you want blue-green foliage? Did you try to set tall or miniature heights? Probably everyone wanted massive scapes with 50 fragrant and diamond dusted complex-eyed buds reblooming with their golden gnarly teeth? No? Would love to hear your building-code lists, and why you found those things compelling, if you feel like sharing some of it.
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Jun 5, 2014 4:44 AM CST
Wow, Lyle, those are fantastic looking seedlings. The size of the teeth on the first one look very long. Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up
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Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Betja
Jun 5, 2014 4:46 AM CST
I agree I agree

Betty
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
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tink3472
Jun 5, 2014 4:47 AM CST
LOVE LOVE LOVE the first one Lyle but the rest are nice too. Thumbs up
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Jun 5, 2014 4:49 AM CST
I really like your double also!!!!
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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spunky1
Jun 5, 2014 5:00 AM CST
Really nice seedlings everyone. I said a long time ago HAPPY HAPPY would be one daylily I would always grow and Lyle has shown some of the reasons why, love the round seedlings it produces.

I don't need Kim until next year, Saturday is my last day to hybridize this year, another short season because of the late bloom. Some things I wanted to use has yet to bloom, but I will have enough seedlings to get excited about next spring.

Tina the first thing I see in a seedling is the bloom, (all blooms are pretty to someone) but the first thing I really look at is the scape, (height, branching, bud count, and strong enough to stay erect without staking. The scape must enhance the bloom, I don't want a mini on a 32" scape nor do I want a large flower on an 18" scape. I don't care about a 50 bud count, I had rather have an 18-30 count on large flowers because of crowding and rebloom is a must. I do all my selections on rebloom.
This is LILLIAN'S LYING TIME AGAIN rebloom scape at 9 months old.
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LILLIAN'S SECOND BITE 9 month rebloom scape
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I have used this uf because it passes this scape to the babies
most of the time
EMMA'S CURLS
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Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America Pollen collector Dragonflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Florida
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tink3472
Jun 5, 2014 5:22 AM CST
chalyse said: :

A question for you all: There is a saying that you must build your house before you paint it. Meaning that you assemble the physical attributes you desire early in a breeding program, and by doing so you will then become free to concentrate on colors, markings, etc., later on without needing to double-back again much to fix the basic foundation.

So, what are the physical attributes, not the colors or patterns, that you think are most important to work out first, then? The "must haves." I know each breeder will differ, and the registration club will have their own ideas and rules, but what of everything you've heard/seen/tried did you find the most compelling? Did you want blue-green foliage? Did you try to set tall or miniature heights? Probably everyone wanted massive scapes with 50 fragrant and diamond dusted complex-eyed buds reblooming with their golden gnarly teeth? No? Would love to hear your building-code lists, and why you found those things compelling, if you feel like sharing some of it.


This would probably be a topic for a whole new thread and I believe there is another thread from last year where we were discussing this you may want to try and find but........

What I am looking for to begin with and trying to work for is a nice scape. The scapes need to be sturdy (not thin and floppy) and have good, well spaced branching and then the bud count would be next which these would go hand in hand for the most part. Sure I'm working for patterns, teeth, and patterns with teeth but I am trying to use things that have the branching and such already there. If I have an ugly (in my eyes) or plain jane daylily that has excellent scape/branching/buds then it will be kept to use for those attributes as long as it will set pods of course. It may never be registered since the bloom is not what I want but it can be used to pass on those traits. In order for me to keep a seedling that has nothing going for it other than the bloom it would have to have something unique about it like a different pattern than I have ever seen or teeth all the way around on the sepals too. More and more are getting the teeth on the sepals (or part of the sepals) but most you find just have them on the petals.

this is a seedling that I will keep because of the scape but the bloom is just so-so
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Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
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tink3472
Jun 5, 2014 5:33 AM CST
[quote="spunky1 I don't care about a 50 bud count, I had rather have an 18-30 count on large flowers because of crowding

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I agree with Fred, I don't really want a 50 bud count. I have seen some of these that have 50 or higher buds and they are just too crowded and the blooms don't open good because of the buds behind it or if more than one is open at the same time they are crowding each other and they just can't open.
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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jun 5, 2014 7:48 AM CST
Awesome, thanks both of you! I know that there was a thread on "what you look for in keepers" or something like that, and did read it back when, but you guys narrowed it right down to ... what is most important to have in place first (not just overall).

So, scapes ... I have some that are thin but wiry-strong and wave gently in the breeze (so enchanting). I think I remember Fred or Lyle speaking to Dip spiders being preferred because you want a bit of give to see them animate. And, on the other hand, just this morning I went to check one of those massive, thick, straight rebar scapes for blooms and found it had snapped off at a node under the buds. What's up with that?! I don't think it could have been a critter because it is surrounded with a wire fence ... and about 8 buds lay limp on the ground right under it.

Other thoughts about the different kinds of scapes there are, why you value them or not, and how you'd use them ... or change them? I also have some Tet scapes that are firm, but so bent over to the ground that the blooms barely stay above the soil. Is that seen, or should I check on whether they are ill or having the equivalent of "bad hair day"?

Let me know if it's still preferable to start a different thread, but I'm really interested in thoughts from those who are actively working with seedlings, and really appreciate the focused and helpful experience you have to give. Thumbs up
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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spunky1
Jun 6, 2014 4:01 AM CST
99% of the seedlings shown here every year will be composted at some date because the bloom is all it has going for it.
HB9 ROLLING RAVEN X TET ALDERSGATE 3YR 12"
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(EXOTIC TREASURE X THOMAS TEW) X LILLIAN'S FIRE AND FLAME 18M 5.50"
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BLACK SHEEP X LILLIAN'S ALABAMA SUNRISE) X TAL OF GASCONE 18M 5"
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LILLIAN'S FIRST BITE X DR STUMP 18M 5.50"
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Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Gleni
Jun 6, 2014 4:58 AM CST
Send them to me and I will compost them for you, Fred Angel .
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Name: Pat
Near McIntosh, Florida (Zone 9a)
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Xenacrockett
Jun 6, 2014 5:03 AM CST
chalyse said:It's a shame that BORN TO RUN X TALLADEGA did not turn out at all well. In fact, it would really benefit from relocation to northern california - I'm sure the soil here would correct all that is wrong with it. Would you like some help getting that one off your hands?! Whistling *crosses fingers*

Oh, and super double ... looks like it has fabulous form! :D


A Florida vacation could do wonders for that seedling too!

Name: Tina
Where the desert meets the sea (Zone 9b)
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chalyse
Jun 6, 2014 8:20 AM CST
Really awesome ruffles/teeth on Lillian's First Bite x Dr. Stump! They seem especially well formed and held. Is the 18M = 18 inches?

So, are scapes the big factor in culling 99% (too short, too bendy, etc.) when so many of the flowers are delightful?
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Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Jun 6, 2014 12:01 PM CST
Gorgeous seedlings everyone!!
Way too many favorites to list.

Tina, the Fall plants were bought plants that we protected
from the freeze. I didn't plant any Fall seedlings. The
seedlings are always planted in the spring. There were too
many seedlings to protect. We usually have about 40
seedlings bloom at 9-10 months, but I doubt that will
happen this year.
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Betja
Jun 6, 2014 12:23 PM CST
Lyle, those huge teeth (especially that one) at the bottom of that first daylily remind me of eagle talons! Fantastic!!!

Betty
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Lilydaydreamer
Jun 6, 2014 3:13 PM CST
What georgeous seedlings! Love them Lovey dubby

Looking forward to a few seedlings myself
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