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Name: Becky
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Jun 8, 2014 6:30 AM CST
Fred - I like that last one, "SIB TO ABOVE 8"! 8" is a really nice color and sized flower! It's so neat to see the siblings of a cross. It really shows how different each blooming plant can turn out! I love seeing them and comparing the same attributes as well as the differences! I find the genetics totally fascinating!!!

As far as folks not labeling their pods .... I wonder if they keep the parents labeled or know the parent names? If not, that could be another reason. I don't know my daylily parents of the current bloomers. Next year's new bloomers will be different because I've been trying very hard to keep them marked! The more I grow my own hybrids, the more I need to keep their parentage tracked. Especially if you are looking for certain traits to pass on to children plants.
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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jun 8, 2014 8:06 AM CST
Thumbs up Happier topics yes! Seed pods. Maybe it is my dag nab sun, but mine almost seem to never crack, even with the gentle squeeze technique. I did try that last summer, and it makes sense to do so, but so many of mine were still mostly green and holding up tight well beyond 60 days that I also followed Michele's advice (I believe, from last year) to just go ahead and pluck them. I think I didn't lose more than a pod or two to immature seeds, but would love to increase the chances for discerning maturity for these much hoped for crosses, and it did make me wonder if there might be other ways or even more hints to determining fitness for harvest?

Just wondering if poking around at the back-of-the-head area might jostle some other observations loose? Group hug I know, it's rude to poke ... but ... very gentle pokes! Rolling my eyes.
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Name: Michele
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Jun 8, 2014 8:48 AM CST
chalyse said: Thumbs up Happier topics yes! Seed pods. Maybe it is my dag nab sun, but mine almost seem to never crack, even with the gentle squeeze technique. I did try that last summer, and it makes sense to do so, but so many of mine were green and holding tight well beyond 60 days that I also followed Michele's advice (I believe, from last year) to just go ahead and pluck them. I think I didn't lose more than a pod or two to immature seeds, but there were much hoped for crosses, and it did make me wonder if there might be other ways or even more hints to determining fitness for harvest?

Just wondering if poking around at the back-of-the-head area might jostle some other observations loose? Group hug I know, it's rude to poke ... but ... very gentle pokes! Rolling my eyes.



All pods are different. Some will brown and open from the top and others will not open from the top but part of the bottom will turn brown and open. Other pods start getting brown spots or turning yellow.

My issues is I don't live at the garden so I can't always keep an eye on the pods. Once I am done with what I am doing for the day or once it gets too hot, which is pretty early now days, I head home. I can't run back and forth all day to do different things or check on things. Sometimes you will look at the pods in the morning and they don't look ready and then later say early evening they have sprung open. So what I do is take bits of what Mick Morry and Karol Emmerich do and cut the scapes sometimes or green pod sometimes.

The best thing I can think of is to read the link I gave you for Mick Morry's site on Green Podding http://avaloniadaylilies.com/G... It actually explains in detail how to harvest seed pods and how to let them finish maturing. I have done this to a certain extent. Sometimes I don't have time to shell the pods on the day I pick them or I need to pick them because I won't be going to the garden and they will sit in the Dixie cups I put them in for a day or two. They continue to ripen kind of like a banana does and will eventually turn brown. Sometimes if I knock a pod off accidentally and it's pretty mature I will keep it and put in a Dixie cup to see if it will ripen. Sometimes they are just too young even though they are big. I have cut the whole scape off and brought home with me for the pods to ripen on the scapes if I know they are all pretty close to being ready.

If you follow what Mick and/or Lanny does or something similar when it comes to opening pods it will help when you have immature seeds. If you have noticed when opening a seed pod the seeds are usually still attached to the pod; the seeds are still getting nourishment from the pod and will continue to mature. Now if the pod has been picked way too early then they may not mature fully before the pod browns and dies.
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Jun 9, 2014 6:57 AM CST
It appears that different climates/regions will determine how quickly a seed pod will ripen. In central FL with the intense sunlight and heat, mine do manage to ripen within roughly 6 weeks (I believe, but never noted precisely). The pod shell does turn brown and crack open. I check daily when they are showing signs of being close to opening. I've never had any fall out of the pod when it "started" to open. It just requires diligent daily checks to collect the seeds once the pod shows the start of separation.

My seedlings continue to bloom, many of them for the first time. I still have many that haven't yet. Those must be mid-season bloomers or later bloomers. I apparently don't have any very early bloomers because mine only started blooming in May. (Not April or March.) I hope many are rebloomers and would love to see a show into the Fall or later, but I've never had that happen before. The blooms usually cease by the end of July. So I have about a month and a half left ... sadly. I wish I could get more reblooms from my seedlings.

I took this closeup shot of a seedling bloom. When I am hybridizing, this is what I am looking so closely at. To see if the pollen is ready so I can spread it around the other blooms. Such fun!

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Name: Lyle
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lyle627
Jun 9, 2014 4:07 PM CST
Nice seedlings , everyone!

Han - Good luck with your cross. I am getting an average of 7" bloom with the cross SCII X FD.

SPACECOAST IRISH ILLUMINATION X FLORENCE DENNY
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COSMIC SENSATION X TALLADEGA
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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jun 10, 2014 3:29 PM CST
Nice choices made with those, Lyle.

Michele, you just explained what I really needed to know ... that seeds still connected to pods that are picked green are still able, and need, to be left a bit to be ready. It's very possible that some of my seeds that didn't produced viable seedlings had suffered from being disturbed by too much jostling.

Becky that is a lovely seedling. I'm also hoping to see blooms beyond the start of July. Last year, only a few were able to produce blossoms once summer really got under way. I'm glad to have more to try out for this year.

Fred, your Lavender Butterfly x Lillian's Vapor Trail kids show such great breeding and inspirational new directions.
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Name: Hans K.
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Heart2Heart
Jun 10, 2014 3:41 PM CST
oh Lyle, I love it ... great crosses

... Cosmic S. will open flowers soon in my garden. I have also smal seedlings with Cosmic S.

Today just two seedling ... some of my first.


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my best from today blooming is a pale yellow, but couldn´t took the right color.


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I like the good shape, very flat flower, the lots of buds, the solid Substance, ruffled on tepal/sepal and the intense fragrance

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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jun 10, 2014 3:48 PM CST
Congratulations, Hans, looking forward to seeing more pictures and descriptions!
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Name: Lisa Klette
Dayton, KY (Zone 6a)
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Lilydaydreamer
Jun 10, 2014 6:21 PM CST
Drooling all over my tablet!!

A little beat up from the rain but holding its color and form (3pm)
FFOE - String Bean x Wild and Free
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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jun 10, 2014 7:34 PM CST
Holding that color through 3 pm is amazing Thumbs up
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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Jun 11, 2014 5:35 AM CST
Great seedlings everyone. Really nice yellow Hans, great form and color. Nice bright uf Lisa. Lyle always has those awesome purples.
Becky the seedling that bloom in Feb and April only do this the first year, the second year most will start bloom starting in May or later.

COACH'S BRAIDED ANGEL X (LILLIAN'S JINGER BRED X BEST EDGE) 18M 5.50"
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FLORANCE DENNY X FULL OF TREASURE 18M 5.50"
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BLACK EYED SUSIE X (TAL OF GASCONE X SOUTHERN DAZZLE) 18M 6"
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Sib to the two others I have shown and still in the seedling bed. I flagged it yesterday because of the well branched scape and will move it this fall. Not crazy about the color but it could be a good parent.
COFFEE TO GO X WILD DREAMS 18M 3"
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Sib to above
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Name: Lisa Klette
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Lilydaydreamer
Jun 11, 2014 6:02 AM CST
Fred, I kinda like the color of the first Coffee To Go x Wild Dreams seedling - - the lighter edge makes it. Thumbs up
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Gleni
Jun 11, 2014 6:10 AM CST
Fred, COFFEE TO GO X WILD DREAMS first one is a looker. The light pink edging frames the darker pinks of the blossom very well, but it also individualises a bloom in a bunch. This cultivar makes a great bouquet. I was also wondering if there is something about the stamens. They look bold.
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Jun 11, 2014 6:20 AM CST
Fred - I like all of them! I am partial to the big eyed and contrasting ruffled edge blooms, though it may not be the most popular by your standards. Thanks for educating me about the first year blooms of seedlings producing earlier. I honestly didn't know that. I have NEVER had any bloom earlier than the end of April from all my first year seedlings. Now you have me wondering why mine don't ....
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Name: Tina
Where the desert meets the sea (Zone 9b)
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chalyse
Jun 11, 2014 8:22 AM CST
Glad to see that I won't have any competition for the coffee to go x wild dreams 1st sib Hurray! the complex shading in the eye which matches the subtle shading further out on the edge of the petals is remarkable.

Today's freshman seedling :}

Bama Music x Rose Emily
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Name: Glen Ingram
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Gleni
Jun 11, 2014 5:16 PM CST
That's a good seedling Tina. Thumbs up
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Jun 11, 2014 8:45 PM CST
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Ruckus X Playful piranha sdlg
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spunky1
Jun 12, 2014 3:43 AM CST
Nice teeth kidfishing.
I think I will keep this another year
COACHS BRAIDED ANGEL X DR STUMP 18M 5.50"
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This is now reblooming and flagged yesterday, has a great scape and still looks pretty good after 2 inchs of rain.
MANGO SUNDAE X BOLD PRESENCE 18M 6"
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EMMA'S CURLS X OPPS ANOTHER MIRACLE 18M 9-10"
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Name: Hans K.
Germany - Wiesbaden (Zone 8a)
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Heart2Heart
Jun 12, 2014 5:18 AM CST
just 2 older seedlings - unknown parentage


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taken with diffrent light

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han
Name: Lisa Klette
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Lilydaydreamer
Jun 12, 2014 5:22 AM CST
Fred, love Lovey dubby the poly with teeth!

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