Daylilies forum: Photo ID Needed-Is this "Joyce Lewis"?

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Name: Bill
Athens, TX (Zone 8a)
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DandBatlake
Jun 17, 2014 2:02 PM CST
These photos were taken a few days ago in a nearby public garden bed that supposedly contains cultivar "Joyce Lewis" - Herrington, 1989. The bloom and scape measured were 6" and 20", respectively (close to the 7" and 29" listed in the AHS db).

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These look pretty close to the photo on the Dave's Garden site, but I'd like other opinions. Are the blooms in the photos probably "Joyce Lewis"?
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jun 17, 2014 2:31 PM CST
Well, from the name I would have thought it was named after a woman, but it was actually named for a Daylily Hybridizer and his name was Joyce Lewis. The flower to me looks the right shape, but I don't see much tan in with the yellow, of course that could just be the photo. Sorry, I am not much help, not very encouraging that there is not photo in the ATP data base. Just maybe someone here grows the plant and can be of more help.
Name: Tina
Where the desert meets the sea (Zone 9b)
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chalyse
Jun 17, 2014 3:13 PM CST
From the shadows in the photos ... was it around noon that you took the pictures? If so, or later in afternoon, it seems possible that the tan pink blend would have faded slightly. Clicking on either right-side photo looks like it shows a clear break between the green-to-yellow throat, and a light tan or pink tone. It does have a bit more rounded points than what is in the AHS database, but the overall shape, as well as the type and amount of ruffling, seem very similar. My opinion would be that it is probably Joyce Lewis.

That said, while color is such a fluid and malleable thing in daylilies, and heights/widths can vary considerably, I wonder if anyone has found that flower shape is fairly static and proportional to size? If sharp points always show up equally sharp, and never somewhat rounded, then that would lead me to question it more along that characteristic.
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Name: Bill
Athens, TX (Zone 8a)
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DandBatlake
Jun 17, 2014 8:25 PM CST
The photos were taken around 11:45am. (The garden's nearly an hour away from our house.) I picked that morning to visit and take photos because there had been a fairly continuous overcast all morning. (This was still mostly in place until about 1pm.) My notes about the bloom say the color was "pale yellow with tan highlights".
Name: Tina
Where the desert meets the sea (Zone 9b)
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chalyse
Jun 17, 2014 8:42 PM CST
Even with overcast there can still be fading from ultraviolet radiation (http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/colors.html and http://www.epa.gov/sunwise/doc/uvradiation.html). If the cloud layer was thin (overcast but not deep clouds all morning), fading from UV could have been a culprit. If that's the case, it wouldn't seem unexpected that the pale pink/mauve of the hybridizer's description (in which it is blended with yellow/tan) might have "photodegredated," leaving only the yellow and paler tan highlights. Is that on the right track, that it might have been a hazy overcast, and not deep layers of cloud?

Of course, there also could likely be plant genetics, chemical soil components, heat, etc., at play that might have produced some change or fading of colors from the original cultivar. Catcher in the Eye is one that seems described one way, photographs another, and in my garden is a very different color than most pictured (but matches the written description). And, then there are the changing colors I saw on a recent cultivar's scape of blooms, one pale lavender, one pale pink, one yellow, and one near-white. Mysterious, but fun to ponder.
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Name: Bill
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DandBatlake
Jun 19, 2014 5:49 PM CST
Here are three photos from this morning at about 9am. Broken clouds at the time. Tried to shoot when clouds were passing in front of the sun.

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