Agastache and Salvias forum: Synonyms or not?

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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Jun 17, 2014 5:25 PM CST
Is Salvia officinalis 'Purpurea' a synonym of Salvia officinalis 'Purpurascens' ? I thought that they are but I see a separate listing for each in the database. I could see no other place to submit this supposition too. So, this must be the right place! Big Grin
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Name: Marilyn
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Marilyn
Jun 17, 2014 7:06 PM CST

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@FBTS would you comment please?
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Name: Kermit Carter
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FBTS
Jun 18, 2014 11:02 AM CST
Two names for the same plant. It has been a few decades since my last Latin class, but I believe 'Purpurea' is the proper name.

Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Jun 18, 2014 1:43 PM CST
I took a look at FTBS's site and see that ( I would like, someday, to have one of everything Kermit. Sticking tongue out ) you have it listed as 'Purpurea' but also make reference to 'Purpurascense' ( "It is known botanically both as Salvia officinalis 'Purpurea' and Salvia officinalis 'Purpurascens'." ) There are still separate listings for each on ATP and an additional Salvia officinalis 'Purpurascens Variegata' that would seem to be improper if 'Purpurea' is correct. I submitted a photo under Salvia officinalis 'Purpurascens' because everything i could find pointed to that being the proper epithet. This prompted my initial inquiry on how/where to make data change proposal. It seems interchangeable everywhere I look. ICRS was what led me to FTBS. Perhaps there all correct? I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Marilyn
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Marilyn
Jun 18, 2014 6:24 PM CST

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Thanks Kermit for commenting! I tip my hat to you. Thumbs up
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Name: Marilyn
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Marilyn
Jun 18, 2014 6:25 PM CST

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HamiltonSquare said:This prompted my initial inquiry on how/where to make data change proposal.


@zuzu could you answer this please?

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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jun 18, 2014 7:20 PM CST

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The cultivars of Salvia officinalis that are listed in our database as Purpurea and Purpurascens have different height and width data, which makes me wonder whether the cultivar we have listed as Purpurascens might actually be a subspecies that was once known as Salvia officinalis var. purpurascens and was later reclassified as a synonym for Salvia officinalis subsp. oxyodon.

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I'll gladly help you move photos and data if we can come to a consensus.

As for Salvia officinalis 'Purpurascens Variegated,' I agree that it is a superfluous entry if all of the purpurascens salvias are variegated. Are there any non-variegated ones?
Name: Marilyn
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Jun 19, 2014 5:02 PM CST

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Thanks Zuzu for responding! I tip my hat to you. Thumbs up
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