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Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Jul 2, 2014 8:15 AM CST
I hand pollinated my Indian Pink this year and was rewarded with seeds! Now I have to find out how to germinate them .. I'm betting they need a cold period.

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"The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; No matter the skin; No matter the world; No matter the star; We are one. No matter the pain; No matter the darkness; No matter the loss; No matter the fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognize this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one."

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Name: Arlene
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abhege
Jul 2, 2014 1:22 PM CST
Is that the only way to get seeds? I have one but I have just been dividing.
Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Jul 2, 2014 1:44 PM CST
I've watched mine for years and never saw seeds so I decided to hand pollinate and finally got seeds. It may be that the right insect for pollinating these flowers just isn't around.
"The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; No matter the skin; No matter the world; No matter the star; We are one. No matter the pain; No matter the darkness; No matter the loss; No matter the fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognize this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one."

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Name: Arlene
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abhege
Jul 2, 2014 1:50 PM CST
I have never even looked for seeds but i will now. Still, I think for me, division is the way to go.
Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Jul 2, 2014 2:03 PM CST
This is what the pods look like. When they are ripe they turn black.

"The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; No matter the skin; No matter the world; No matter the star; We are one. No matter the pain; No matter the darkness; No matter the loss; No matter the fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognize this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one."

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Name: Arlene
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abhege
Jul 2, 2014 4:53 PM CST
Okay, I'll watch for that. Glad you posted that photo. I doubt there will be any but I'll keep an eye on them.
Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Jul 2, 2014 5:10 PM CST
If you do see some you absolutely have to bag them while they are still green because when they ripen the pods open explosively and scatter the seeds. I use those little organza bags you can get at the dollar tree in the baby/wedding section. You can find them in 2 sizes.

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"The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; No matter the skin; No matter the world; No matter the star; We are one. No matter the pain; No matter the darkness; No matter the loss; No matter the fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognize this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one."

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Name: Arlene
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abhege
Jul 2, 2014 5:57 PM CST
I have some I use to bag my tomatoes so I will. I'll let you know if I get any!
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mom2goldens
Jul 2, 2014 6:34 PM CST

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Glad to have found this thread.....this is one of my favorite plants EVER!! So glad to know how to look for seeds. Thanks for sharing!
Name: Arlene
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abhege
Jul 3, 2014 6:25 AM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
I have seed pods!!!!! Will bag them now!!!!
I actually have three stems with seed pods!



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And like you said, now to find out how to germinate if mine ripen. This is exciting!
Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Jul 3, 2014 7:19 AM CST
That's AWESOME! Check around your bed where they are and see if you see any baby plants coming up.

I've been doing some research and they need light to germinate and if planted really fresh they come up fast .. otherwise they apparently go into deep dormancy and require a 3 week chilling period. I started 12 of my seeds yesterday .. I'll keep you updated on how they do. I've got some on the surface and some barely covered.
"The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; No matter the skin; No matter the world; No matter the star; We are one. No matter the pain; No matter the darkness; No matter the loss; No matter the fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognize this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one."

G'Kar
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jvdubb
Jul 3, 2014 11:16 AM CST
Bummer! I cut my bloom stems off. Now I know to leave it alone!
Name: Arlene
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abhege
Jul 3, 2014 11:37 AM CST
No babies. I always look. Hilarious!

I'll try sowing in vermiculite.
Name: Arlene
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abhege
Jul 28, 2014 5:19 PM CST
Okay, I got over 30 seeds from two stems. One more is bagged and the plant is having another blush of blooms!

I may save some to offer for the Piggy Seed Swap and try germinating a few myself. This is exciting!

How are the seeds you planted coming along? Any germination?
Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Jul 28, 2014 5:54 PM CST
Wowza! That's awesome!

Nothing yet as far as germination. I sowed some seeds in a 6 pack, put a clear cover on it and stuck it in the Woodlands area where the Spigelia is. I really don't expect anything this soon, probably next Spring.
"The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; No matter the skin; No matter the world; No matter the star; We are one. No matter the pain; No matter the darkness; No matter the loss; No matter the fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognize this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one."

G'Kar
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Name: Arlene
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abhege
Jul 29, 2014 6:30 AM CST
Maybe I'll direct sow some of mine.

There are some stems that don't have any swollen pods. Not sure if they just finished flowering or never got pollinated. Strange if not since the ones right next to them did and I have a hive in my back yard. Oh well, I did get quite a few. There were a couple more stems with green pods so I put the bags on them. I should have plenty to share.
Name: Claire
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339ysg
May 10, 2018 4:26 PM CST
Hi, new to the forum. I have one of the spigelia maralandica which came up spontaneously in a flower bed. One plant! I thought it was a salvia plant until it bloomed. Now I am trying to figure out how to pollinate it by hand. Don't I need two plants at least? As I said - newbie! Thanks for any help!
Name: Mary
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Pistil
May 10, 2018 6:36 PM CST
I was wondering that myself- thank you for resurrecting this old thread from before I joined. I have one plant, would really like more. I see why I have been unable to find seeds, this year I will try hand pollinating, then bag them.
Are they native where you live, 330ysg?
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May 11, 2018 3:07 AM CST

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Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Xeramtheum
May 11, 2018 7:56 AM CST
Hi and welcome to NGA!

Hand pollination of flowers to get seeds is easy for the most part as the two bits involved are easy to identify on most flowers. Spigelia flowers on the other hand aren't so easy, however, the flowers have both the male and female parts in the same flower so you're all set to go.

The basic process is to put pollen that is produced by anthers onto the pistil which has tubes that run down into the ovaries. This is usually done with a fine tipped paintbrush. You can also use a cotton swab, but I'm not a fan of that because you run the risk of it absorbing the sticky liquid on the pistil which catches and holds the pollen while fertilization occurs which can reduce your chances of it 'taking'.

That said, what you want to do is with your paintbrush or swab, collect the pollen on the tip of the brush. In the picture, it is labeled number 1. The pollen is the yellow fluffy stuff you see. Once you have loaded the paintbrush with pollen you want to brush it onto the pistil, number 2 which is at the tip of the structure 2 is pointing at. If the hand pollination 'takes', in a week or so you will see ovaries at the base of the flower (2nd picture) start to swell. Not all hand pollination works so don't be disappointed and give up. Just keep hand pollinating every flower you see. If more than one flower is blooming and producing pollen at the same time, you can use pollen from one flower to pollinate a different flower though not necessary.

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"The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; No matter the skin; No matter the world; No matter the star; We are one. No matter the pain; No matter the darkness; No matter the loss; No matter the fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognize this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one."

G'Kar
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