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Name: Catherine
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Cat
Jul 2, 2014 7:58 PM CST
Is it to early to tell if these are growing seeds?

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Sorry the picture is not the best, it was getting dark. I'll take more tomorrow if need be.

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tink3472
Jul 2, 2014 8:02 PM CST
Those are seed pods indeed but time will tell if they stay on or abort. And they may or may not have seeds in them. I have had ping pong ball size pods with nothing in them.
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Name: Catherine
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Cat
Jul 2, 2014 8:09 PM CST
Well, I knew they were seed pods, I guess it's still to early. Some of the others on the plant that were not pollinated already shriveled up and fell off. I was just hoping it was a good sign.
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Cat
Jul 2, 2014 8:11 PM CST
Is that odd, to have them that big and no seed?
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Polymerous
Jul 3, 2014 12:23 AM CST
I have never had a large seed pod that had NO seeds.

I have, however, had many good sized pods that produced only one or two seeds, and even more with only three or four seeds.

(The pods with few seeds were all from tetraploid daylilies; when I was pollen dabbing on diploids, they produced many more seeds per pod.)
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tink3472
Jul 3, 2014 12:55 AM CST
Polymerous said:I have never had a large seed pod that had NO seeds.

I have, however, had many good sized pods that produced only one or two seeds, and even more with only three or four seeds.

(The pods with few seeds were all from tetraploid daylilies; when I was pollen dabbing on diploids, they produced many more seeds per pod.)



It is rare to have them that big with no seeds but I have had them on occasion. Yep, I love those huge pods with one seed Rolling my eyes. And the dip pods I usually have 15 -30 seeds per pod
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tink3472
Jul 3, 2014 12:56 AM CST
Cat said:Well, I knew they were seed pods, I guess it's still to early. Some of the others on the plant that were not pollinated already shriveled up and fell off. I was just hoping it was a good sign.


nodding Yes I know you knew they were pods. I have had pods abort after 3-4 weeks so they can sometimes get a decent size and then shrivel up and fall off.
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tink3472
Jul 3, 2014 12:57 AM CST
Cat said:Is that odd, to have them that big and no seed?


It's not a frequent thing but I have had it happen on occassion
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chalyse
Jul 3, 2014 3:54 AM CST
When I pick a pod it's normally not cracked open by itself yet, just looking or feeling very "ripe" to me. Because of that, once or twice I've gotten no-seed pods. I've thought that they must be pods that I've just happened to pick at the moment right before the they would have begun shriveling up (and I agree, those can get to a good size first).

I remember seeing a few tiny "seed shards" like you sometimes see in other pods with one or a few seeds, as if the pod had been in production and the seeds had just not gotten past the very earliest moments of development. I'll try to watch for them this year, and see if my camera can take enough of a close-up to show what I mean ...
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Xenacrockett
Jul 3, 2014 5:57 AM CST

I think I've been able to determine that one of my old plants is a tet since she is accepting tet pollen and making oodles of pods (hopefully not empty).

When tested with dip pollen, she made a pod, but it was small, shriveled, turned brown and fell off.

Some pods here are big round golf ball looking ones, but this old plant makes more oval papaya shaped seeds.


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chalyse
Jul 3, 2014 6:41 AM CST
I love the variety of seed pod shapes, colors, and sizes. Forgive me, I feel a micro photo burst coming on ... Rolling on the floor laughing



Still waiting on this one to mature; a poly, if I remember correctly. Rolling my eyes.
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Name: Catherine
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Cat
Jul 3, 2014 7:54 AM CST
All great info. Thanks Everyone!! Guess I'll keep waiting (and dabbing pollen). Big Grin
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EdBurton
Jul 3, 2014 3:21 PM CST
Sometimes the biggest pods have very few seeds, while the little runty pods are loaded with seeds
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Cat
Jul 3, 2014 3:32 PM CST
Something to keep in mind...seems strange though. About how big is a "Big Seed Pod"? Is there no way of knowing if pollen set until the pod actually is open and there are seeds? Even if it does not abort there could still be no seeds inside? Is that correct?
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chalyse
Jul 3, 2014 3:53 PM CST
I agree Ed, and I think you are right, Catherine ...I have one now that has been huge (ping-pong ball size?) for almost a month. Suddenly, I can see one chamber is deflating. I'll hope the other two lobes got fertilized (they are still firm), but I don't know any way to be sure until I open it. Maybe someone else has another experience to share about it all, though. Thumbs up
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tink3472
Jul 3, 2014 5:20 PM CST
Yep I hate those that are big and then the chambers deflate one by one. Sometimes only one chamber will make it and it will have one seed in it. I have had several that way already.
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tink3472
Jul 3, 2014 5:26 PM CST
Cat said:Something to keep in mind...seems strange though. About how big is a "Big Seed Pod"? Is there no way of knowing if pollen set until the pod actually is open and there are seeds? Even if it does not abort there could still be no seeds inside? Is that correct?


If a seed pod develops and does not abort the pollen set.

It is rare that a seed pod that makes it to maturity will have no seeds. On TETS you are more than likely to at least get one seed but you will have some with 2,3,4, etc., the DIPS have usually 10-30 in my experience.
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needrain
Jul 4, 2014 6:48 AM CST
If you sow a seed directly from the pod as a fresh seed, does that impact how they might sprout? Do daylily seeds require chilling?
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tink3472
Jul 4, 2014 6:59 AM CST
I usually directly plant my seeds straight from the pods without chilling. There is a difference between chilling dry and moist chilling. Moist chilling is called cold stratification and is supposed to help dormant seeds (not the same as dormant foliage) germinate faster. I don't do it because the time you spend chilling the seeds and then they still can take awhile to germinate I could have already planted them and had most germinate.

Just storing them in the fridge without a moist environment (different types are used ) then it's just cold storage and from what I've read really does nothing for germination and really is no different than storing dry in say a desk drawer or someplace that doesn't get overly hot.

The cold stratification would be good for those who don't plant right away because some people plant their seeds the following spring. Or for those who want to germinate their seeds before planting.
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spunky1
Jul 4, 2014 2:53 PM CST
I plant seed in trays that hold 72 seed and only store seed in the frige until I have enough to fill about six trays.

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