Florida Gardening forum: caladium 'florida sunrise' vs 'white queen'

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skylark
Aug 13, 2014 9:52 AM CST
i was convinced that my caladium was 'florida sunrise', but then i started having doubts, as i see that it looks almost the same as 'white queen' on many images.
is there a way to distinguish the two?
i am 'up north' in NJ, but i am posting here, as there are more growers in fl of these beauties and the varieties are easily available and grown by everybody.
here's a pic of mine from last year - grown indoors. it seems to be a late variety.
it still had leaves in nov last year, well past the others.
it was also very late to start, there were no eyes until may, while my other varieties 'miss muppet' and 'florida sunrise' show eyes at least a month earlier.
this year i put it outside in the pot shaded by other plants in hopes that it will catch up.


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dyzzypyxxy
Aug 13, 2014 11:46 AM CST
I have several 'White Queen' and they look just like yours. Yes, even here they are later starting and last longer than some of the others.

I tried the database for 'Florida Sunrise' and also Google as I'm not sure I've seen that one. There seems to be some discrepancy as to exactly what it it supposed to look like. A description, though said "dark green leaves splashed with pink" . Shrug!
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skylark
Aug 13, 2014 12:39 PM CST
it seems that 'white queen' has more of a pink blush around the veins', while 'FL sunrise' has just red veins
according to this site
http://www.caladiumsflorida.com/floridasunrise.html
this year mine are just having a thin red line instead of blushed pink in the center.
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DavidofDeLand
Aug 15, 2014 9:08 AM CST
What a beauty! Thumbs up
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skylark
Aug 15, 2014 10:20 AM CST
thank you!
i was actually thinking of posting a pic of mine in the database - but then hesitated, since now i am not sure about variety.
i did see 'splashed pink' varieties sold as 'fl sunrise' with splotchy pink and much more green. and mine is totally NOT like that.
so i found this UofFL link, which should have reliable pics, since they actually developed it:
https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ep223#FIGURE 8
but now it looks like last year mine seriously resembled 'FL fantasy' too and is deff NOT like 'fl sunrise'.
so now i am confused even more ;).
and then i found this fl blog - comparing 'white queen' and 'fl fantasy' look-a-likes . seems 'white queen' can bleed pink into leaves, while 'fl fantasy' remains pure white.
then based on my last and this year pics i think i have a 'white queen'?
i am going in circles here... can somebody offer more links/opinions?
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terrafirma
Aug 15, 2014 11:27 AM CST
That is a beauty! Maybe Bill can help here... @caladiums4less
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dyzzypyxxy
Aug 15, 2014 11:42 AM CST
I know mine are 'White Queen' as they were labeled, and I think yours look just like mine. I'm voting for yours being 'White Queen'. I haven't had them bleed the red into the white areas, but we have not had a lot of rain this summer either, so that may be the reason.

In your link, the picture of 'Florida Fantasy' really does look just like 'White Queen' and there is at least one leaf in that picture with the red bleeding into the white. Rolling my eyes.

Does it really matter as long as you're not planning on propagating and selling them?
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plantladylin
Aug 15, 2014 12:03 PM CST
I wonder if location, soil, culture, lighting etc. has anything to do with leaf the coloration? I wouldn't think so but there sure are a lot of Caladiums that look very much alike. Virginiarose's database photos of Fancy-leaf Caladium (Caladium 'White Queen') look a lot different than my White Queen, I'd love it if mine looked like hers, the leaf color is really pretty!
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skylark
Aug 15, 2014 12:39 PM CST
i am trying to figure out why last year indoors it had more pink blush, while this year outdoors it does not.
i read on one of the seller's sites that deeper shade produces more pink on 'white queen', which would be consistent with my color this year. and also older mature leaves can become more pink (my 'fl sweetheart' does that) - perhaps my leaves are not old enough yet, compared with last year.
also temp/sun exposure will affect color:
temps over 85F bleach out color - it's been pretty nice here, only mid 80s and leaves are very white now. but last year it was indoors - so only 75F max.
also too much nitrogen increases green - i feed mine with 1:1:1 ratio, so no excessive green.
i am trying to figure it out since i liked my pink blush last year better then pure white with almost plum (very deep wine red) this year. guess, i can put one plant indoors and see if new leaves will change.
i am not particular about names actually, but since there was no pic for 'fl sunrise' in the database i thought i might put mine in ;). but now i am pretty much convinced that it is 'white queen'.
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dyzzypyxxy
Aug 15, 2014 9:01 PM CST
Since we have pretty consistently 85 to 90deg. weather here most of the time the Caladiums are growing, I think the color variations on the leaves on mine are mostly due to different amounts of light and water. The 'bleeding' on mine definitely happens more when there is rain and the leaves stay wet for hours.

Mine make much more green veining, and a thicker green edge in deep shade. It makes sense if you think about it, the plant needs more chlorophyll because of the lower light intensity?

I fertilized mine with a balanced timed release fert at the end of May and that's all they've had. I'm planting some more now that will grow through the fall, and they'll get the same. But maybe I'll try putting some Black Kow in with some of them and see if the nitrogen boost makes a difference to the color. Hmmm.. I do love an experiment! None of the new bulbs are White Queen, though.
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dyzzypyxxy
Aug 16, 2014 5:10 PM CST
New leaves coming along on a White Queen that went dormant about a month ago. You can see the new leaves are very green/pink but the very newest, and the oldest fading leaf in the last picture are the white/red with green veins and edge. The old one has bled significantly since we've had heavy rain two out of the last 3 days.

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caladiums4less
Dec 25, 2014 11:34 AM CST
Yes, that is White Queen you have there. FL Sunrise is similar to the variety Arno Nehrling
Here's a picture of it. Not the best pic, sorry...

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skylark
Jan 12, 2015 3:37 PM CST
@caladiums4less,
thank you for an expert opinion! what about the dyzzypyxxy last 3 pics of w.queen?
they look so close to yours! except yours has wider and stronger pink-red veining. everything looks stronger on yours ;). white is whiter and green is darker and better defined.
would you say they color differently given same conditions?
it would be really nice to see them next to each other, grown in similar conditions, to really see the difference.
i wonder, if anybody on ATP grows both?
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caladiums4less
Jan 17, 2015 11:10 AM CST
@skylark - Anytime!!
Looking at the pics, the one on the top right, the leaf in the middle that has the most white looks like White Queen. The others don't.
The vast majority of the leaves in the top two pics look like Arno Nehrling to me. Arno can be similar to FL Sunrise which isn't a real popular variety. There's only a couple growers growing it anymore and I don't know how long that's going to continue. Both that I know are thinking about not planting it this year. I'd hate to see another variety disappear!! We lost Lord Derby last year after my friend quit planting it.
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plantladylin
Jan 17, 2015 11:32 AM CST
I wonder if my white queen is still out there in a container in my yard somewhere? I can't remember if I saw it last year or not but I think I did; it's one of my favorites!


Lord Derby is really pretty too! What a shame it may not be around much longer.
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