Aroids forum: is this a philodendron?

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skylark
Aug 24, 2014 1:07 PM CST
i searched for images, but can't find anything resembling it. looks possibly like a philo 'xanadu'. it's not large, but could be just a young plant.
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mjsponies
Aug 25, 2014 5:57 AM CST
Never seen a Philo with leaves that red, but guess it could be sunburned ??? But if so you'd think the edges would be crispy. Where is it growing ?
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plantladylin
Aug 25, 2014 9:31 AM CST
Pretty! Kinda, sorta reminds me of the first one shown here: http://philodendrongardener.blogspot.com/
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Aug 25, 2014 11:40 AM CST

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Wild. Nice looking Asplenium?
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mjsponies
Aug 25, 2014 1:09 PM CST
Evan, yeah the Fern does look like an Asplenium.
@Skylark, there's a Facebook page...Planet Philodendron that you could post that on for an id, or I would post it with your permission.

I'm very curious about the Pink color. I don't think it's Xanadu, but those folks on Planet Philodendron are much more experienced in ID'ing them than I'm
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purpleinopp
Aug 25, 2014 1:20 PM CST
It could just have a nutrient imbalance. The leaf behind looks like it started as a normal green color and is turning.
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skylark
Aug 26, 2014 6:03 PM CST
oh-ho-ho! it's pur-rity! alas, it's not mine. it's not nutes, it's not sunburn. it's in a private area of a nursery, being propagated... hence prolly rare or being hybridized or smth like that. it's in miami, fl. it's not for sale. i asked for permission to view private greenhouses and took some pics... lotsa pretties there... this particular very intriguing. but couldn't really ask what it was! it def looks like largish xanadu.
i looked at filippino site - can't see anything close though. red usually comes from ph. erubescence. never seen any hybrids with red margins like that!
mjsponies, go ahead, please post on facebook (i am not on it and don't plan to be either ;).
fern is not asplenium - will tell you in a coupla days - am not near my plantfiles at the moment. it's a beauty and i know it's name :))).
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mjsponies
Aug 26, 2014 6:44 PM CST
Skylark will do and see if can get an ID on it.

Would love to know name of fern also.
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mjsponies
Aug 27, 2014 3:58 AM CST
@Skylark, got several responses and Philodendron mayoii seems to be the popular choice and if you google it does look like it.

As for the color....nutrients or possibly cool temps, but I doubt temps due to it's location.

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skylark
Aug 27, 2014 5:03 PM CST
yep, ph. mayoi seems just like what it is! but i can't believe it would be nutes; these guys are pro's - they sell and propagate lots of fantastic aroids and rather hard to find variegated philos and monsteras and lots more. though their labeling is rather poor, even for sales stuff. last year was an exceptionally warm winter - only a few nights around 56F, most days in hi 70s and low 80s. so temps would not be problematic. and by the way - what kind of nutes can produce such a well defined red margin? this plant and all of the rest is in covered greenhouses.
after i looked at asplenium ferns i see why you thought it was an asplenium. though it has long thin petioles, but the other aspleniums all seem to have fronds that start at the base. some of the frilly aspleniums look quite close. one more day and you'll know.
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mjsponies
Aug 27, 2014 5:09 PM CST
Skylark, did you ask them how it came to have such a pink color ? ....which nursery is it ? If they sell alot it shouldn't be an issue to say who it is should it ?
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purpleinopp
Aug 28, 2014 6:58 AM CST
I think magnesium imbalance and/or wrong PH is the usual cause of abnormally red foliage, but info about such things is usually in regard to crop plants.
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dyzzypyxxy
Aug 28, 2014 1:17 PM CST
I agree Tiffany. Magnesium deficiency makes my orchid leaves turn amazingly red.
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skylark
Aug 28, 2014 8:26 PM CST
i got the fern name - can't find any pics of it on-line, but here it is: polypodium polycarpon 'filigree'. it's fantastic looking too. both of these plants are in private 'hybridization/propagation' section. this are plants in development so to speak, not for sale. there was nobody to ask, the place is huge. perhaps, i'll be more persevering next time. and if it was that easy to turn philo red - why wouldn't everybody do it? i don't think it's that simple of an answer. and it was the only plant of this kind. so i am reluctant to name a nursery. if i see it again, i'll take more and better pics and perhaps find smbody to talk too.
have you heard of this cultivar of fern before?
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plantladylin
Aug 28, 2014 8:38 PM CST
I have the regular Elk Horn Fern but I've never seen 'Filigree' before and I love it! The cultivar name 'Filigree' fits that one for sure!

Polypodium polycarpon is a synonym for Elkhorn Fern (Microsorum punctatum)

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-26601757

We don't have the cultivar Filigree listed yet in the database.
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skylark
Dec 26, 2014 11:55 AM CST
ok, i finally visited the nursery again. it is Palm Hammock Orchid estate in Miami, FL. i just love the place. this time instead of one plant there was a whole shelf of them in 'private propagation section'. and they WERE marked Ph. mayoii. and from what i could observe - the red appears strictly on older leaves - as they age they get red on the edges, but a few leaves were totally burgundy red - very pretty.


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plantladylin
Dec 26, 2014 1:21 PM CST
It sure is a beauty! There is some info and photo's of P. mayoii here: http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Philodendron%20mayoi%20%20pc...

Not much info and no photos yet in our database: Philodendron mayoi
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TheNaturalist
Jun 24, 2016 11:30 AM CST
skylark said:...marked Ph. mayoii. and from what i could observe - the red appears strictly on older leaves - as they age they get red on the edges, but a few leaves were totally burgundy red - very pretty.




Whoa, that is cool! I've never seen a red P. mayoi before. Whatever happened with this plant โ€” do you know if it ended up being a cultivar for sale?
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skylark
Jun 24, 2016 11:50 AM CST
well, this year i did not have enough time to go thru the back room Thumbs down (it took close to 2 hours last time! what with all the picture taking...).
and i just found out that PHOE has sold their plot in South Miami and moved the shop to Redlands . Of course, i'll visit them there too...but! i don't know if they will have a back room there...Tim Anderson is a very well known hybridizer of begonias, so it's a famous place Smiling

so, in short - that plant , actually several (there was a whole table of them - confirmed fro a pic), was there in the back room for sev years.
but i have not seen it on their shelves for sale. It was a pretty chaotic place - like a Sleeping kingdom, just fascinating to visit!
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