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Aug 27, 2014 2:25 AM CST
Name: Gordon
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A number of years ago I got this ID 'd.. I can't recall... And have been asked lately what it is and I can't say.. I've received a few possibilities lately as to who it is.... Just thought I'd confirm it with folks I believe and very accurate as to the nuances of Just who it is.. Thanks again for this consideration... The flower of the large mother...the flower of a baby,, a few younger ones..and the mother are pictured
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Aug 27, 2014 6:11 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Wow, what a beauty!

I don't know cactus at all so this is just thrown out as a wild guess, a variety of Echinocactus? http://garden.org/plants/brows...
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Aug 28, 2014 7:15 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL ☼🌷⚘🌹🌻 (Zone 8b)
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I have no suggestion for ID, but couldn't pass on by w/o saying, "WOW!" She's a beauty!
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Aug 28, 2014 7:55 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Maybe an Echinopsis like 'First Light' or 'Spring Symphony' or something close to that. The colors can vary throughout the blooming season so it's sometimes difficult to tell.

It's a beautiful bloom that's for certain!! Lovey dubby
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Aug 28, 2014 9:29 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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eek! I googled Echiopsis and only found snakes and then realized you meant Echinopsis. Freaked me out for a minute since snakes give me the heebie jeebies. Green Grin!

Lots of Echinopsis in the database, a few with photos: http://garden.org/plants/brows...

For comparison, a couple of pic's of 'First Light': http://echinopsis.eu/thumbnail...

and 'Spring Symphony': http://mattslandscape.com/deta...
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Aug 28, 2014 2:31 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL ☼🌷⚘🌹🌻 (Zone 8b)
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LOL!!
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Aug 28, 2014 6:39 PM CST
Name: Gordon
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well... my cactus isn't a new hybred... it's been in the family for over 50 years that I know of..... it comes by way of my mothers twin sister Velma.. and was with her on the delta since then anyway... perhaps before ... but my awarness of it was then... I think I have it though... here's a white version of it in a time lapse clip
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Aug 28, 2014 7:08 PM CST
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An oldie but a goodie.
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Jan 17, 2016 8:20 PM CST
Name: Thijs van Soest
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Echinopsis for sure, once you loose track of the ID of a hybrids re-identifying it is not that easy - too many very similar looking ones out there. For this one, my guess would be Echinopsis x 'Los Angeles' which is a very old hybrid. It was part of the 'Paramount' collection of hybrids. The body of the cactus looks like a good match for mine that came labeled and the flower does too.
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Jan 17, 2016 9:34 PM CST
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Here is a pic of Echinopsis X 'Los Angeles' flower

http://echinopsis.eu/displayim...

and the plant and bloom

https://www.flickr.com/photos/...
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Jan 17, 2016 10:22 PM CST
Name: greene
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Looking back through the old posts I found this one which mentions E. oxygona:
http://garden.org/thread/view_...
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Jan 17, 2016 10:46 PM CST
Name: Thijs van Soest
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Yes, that could be it too, but as I mention, once the ID is lost it is really hard to get it back, too many similar looking hybrids. E. oxygona tends to have slightly different flowers than those shown in the OP - more pointy petals, but the differences are minute - I have both, but my oxygona has longer spines, so for me when I see an almost spineless plant I do not immediately think of E. oxygona.
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Jan 21, 2016 11:12 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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Look at Echinopsis eyriesii
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Jan 21, 2016 3:27 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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E. eyriesii - synonym for Sea-Urchin Cactus (Echinopsis oxygona)
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Jan 21, 2016 3:54 PM CST
Name: Jean
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Jan 21, 2016 4:03 PM CST
Name: Jean
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This thread in Cactus and Succulents looks to be the same plant?

The thread "Cactus ID" in Cactus and Succulents forum
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Jan 21, 2016 6:40 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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I thought it had been determined that they were separate plants: E. oxygona has long spines and E. eyriesii almost no spines. ThePlantList.org has them as two separate species but CactiGuide.com lists them as the same plant.
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Jan 21, 2016 7:02 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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The Catalogue of Life is more current, it was updated Dec. 2015 and shows:

Echinopsis eyriesii Pfeiff. & Otto Species synonym for Echinopsis oxygona (Link) Zucc. ex Pfeiff.

I just went to the Plant List and it shows the latest date as March, 2012. One is listed as Accepted while others are shown as Synonyms: http://www.theplantlist.org/tp...

I strictly use The Catalogue of Life because it always seems the most current.
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Jan 22, 2016 12:24 AM CST
Name: Thijs van Soest
Tempe, AZ (Zone 9b)
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I think when one uses these different plant lists it is important to recognize that these are constructed based on what is out there in the general and scientific literature and what the compilers of the specific list decide to accept as what is correct about a plant name - sometimes possibly ignoring literature stating something different. For example the decision to merge E. eyriesii into E. oxygona was first presented to most of the general cactus growing public by D. Hunt in the New Cactus Lexicon in 2006 - this is the ultimate source for ITIS to list E. eyriesii as a synonym of E. oxygona, ITIS appears to be the ultimate source for the Catalogue of Life in this case. So while CoL might have been updated more recently than the Plantlist, the basic info that has CoL declare E. eyriesii a synonym of E. oxygona has been out there since 2006. The fact that the Plantlist does not report it as such must mean that the compilers of that list do not deem Hunt's info (unfortunately I only have the illustrations volume of the NCL, not the text volume with the references, so cannot track down Hunt's reasoning/source) convincing enough to also declare those two species synonymous. The Plantlist quotes a different source of data that is also hard to track down, so it is unclear exactly what the different listings of these plant's names is based on, and so hard to evaluate what is correct. It illustrates how some of cactus genera still need a lot of work to sort out exactly what is what, DNA analyses will help and may have been the source for declaring these two species synonymous, but as said I could not track that down.

Interestingly, for me the two plants that I bought as eyriesii and oxygona are very different and seem to fit well to their respective descriptions as found in Anderson's 'The Cactus Family' (2001), E. oxygona has longer spines are more pink-purple-reddish blooms, while E. eyriesii has the short spines and white blooms. My short spined pink-white cactus came labeled as E. x 'Los Angeles' and looks a lot like the plants in the OP, while it looks similar to my version of E. eyriesii, overall body size and shape (and for me flower color) are different.

One suggestion I read somewhere was, that if these two plants are indeed examples of intraspecies variation, to keep the name 'eyriesii' as a variation or cultivar name so that the distinct short spined plant generally with white blooms can still be named as such in the plant trade (to keep the collectors happy).
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Jan 22, 2016 9:45 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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mcvansoest, Thank you for the explanation! Thumbs up The scientific stuff is all foreign to me. I used to use ITIS and The Plant List for reference but a couple of years ago I began going by what the CoL listed because I was told it was the most updated reference.

We all want our All Things Plants database to be as accurate as possible; I'm not sure if we have a specific moderator for Cactus but I'll summon the three members I know of who are database moderators so they can read your comments/explanation and see if they think a change is in order for the listing of E. eyriesii (oxygona) @zuzu, @calif_sue, @eclayne
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