Plant ID forum: Cirsium?

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Name: Judy
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SCButtercup
Mar 28, 2015 3:45 PM CST
This looks like some kind of wild lettuce. It tastes slightly bitter bur not as bad as dandelion. Leaves are firm but wilt when stir fried like kale. Yes I already ate it and was delicious and didn't cause problems. Anyone know what it's called?

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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Mar 28, 2015 4:02 PM CST
Some type of thistle?
Edible Thistle
http://www.eattheweeds.com/thi...
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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Mar 28, 2015 4:15 PM CST
I agree with Larry it looks like Cirsium horridulum. But, seriously! You cooked and ate a plant that you haven't identified?
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Mar 28, 2015 5:24 PM CST
It looks like Thistle to me also. A couple of possibilities:

Bull Thistle (Cirsium vulgare)

Bull Thistle (Cirsium horridulum)

Canada Thistle (Cirsium arvense)
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Name: Sandy B.
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Weedwhacker
Mar 28, 2015 7:31 PM CST
I think it might be "Hedgemustard" -- Sisymbrium officinale (which is, fortunately, edible... Smiling )

https://extension.umass.edu/la...

You might need to allow it to flower to actually positively ID it.
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Metrosideros
Mar 28, 2015 7:57 PM CST
Could this be something like Lactuca serriola, Prickly Lettuce.

Need to see flowers.

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Weedwhacker
Mar 28, 2015 8:09 PM CST
Many possibilities... whatever it is, I know we have that here and I don't think it's a true thistle. Smiling
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Name: Judy
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SCButtercup
Mar 28, 2015 11:19 PM CST
Canada thistle it is.
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purpleinopp
Mar 29, 2015 6:24 AM CST
With the huge number of Cirsium species, I don't see how one could eliminate all of the other possibilities at this stage. The leaves look like Cirsium arvense, and other species of Cirsium. Canada thistle is usually a patch, not scattered individuals, but I suppose the first few plants of an invasion could start that way.
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USDA maps aren't always correct, but says SC is a bit below its' know range.
http://plants.usda.gov/core/pr...
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sooby
Mar 29, 2015 6:54 AM CST
purpleinopp said:

USDA maps aren't always correct, but says SC is a bit below its' know range.
http://plants.usda.gov/core/pr...


According to this Columbia University page on Canada thistle:
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/ce...

"The only states in the US that are relatively free of Canada Thistle are Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina and Florida."

Is it possible to get a close-up photo of the underside of a leaf? I'm also not sure I'm seeing any spines, are the tips of the leaves hard and pointy?

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plantladylin
Mar 29, 2015 1:12 PM CST
If it's Thistle of any kind it will have lots of thorns.
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sooby
Mar 29, 2015 2:11 PM CST
It reminds me somewhat of a sowthistle ( Sonchus ) of some kind:

http://thedewberry.blogspot.ca...
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Weedwhacker
Mar 29, 2015 3:00 PM CST
Sow thistle -- that's what I was trying to think of!!

Judy, were the leaves really spiny ?? (I'm having a hard time imagining deciding to eat them if they were... Blinking )
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plantladylin
Mar 29, 2015 5:02 PM CST
@sooby Good eye! It could very well be a species of Sonchus. We have Spiny Sow-thistle (Sonchus asper) that grows here in Florida and another but I can't remember the species. Here's the database listing for Sonchus: http://garden.org/plants/brows...

I've never eaten Sowthistle but apparently it is edible:

http://joanhall.hubpages.com/h...

http://www.eattheweeds.com/son...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
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Horntoad
Mar 29, 2015 5:22 PM CST
Yes, it does look a lot like Sonchus. I should have caught that. I have Sonchus asper come-up in my yard every year. Where the smiley kicking itself? Rolling on the floor laughing
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sooby
Mar 30, 2015 6:08 AM CST
plantladylin said:@sooby Good eye! It could very well be a species of Sonchus.


Thanks, Lin. What kept bugging me was the lack of obvious large spines, and also the pale-coloured midribs. I kept thinking I'd seen that combo before!

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purpleinopp
Apr 3, 2015 5:53 PM CST
Do all Sonchus have white (latex) sap? If they do, and Cirsium don't, that would be a good clue.
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plantladylin
Apr 3, 2015 5:58 PM CST
I think it's got to be a species of Sonchus. Most Cirsium have sharp spines don't they? I know Bull Thistle has lots of sharp spines as does the Nutall's Thistle (Cirsium nuttallii) that is sprouting up all over my side yard ... very interesting and pretty bloom but ouch, those thorns are sharp!
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