Plant ID forum: European Bladdernut (Staphylea pinnata)

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Makanudo
Apr 7, 2015 3:44 AM CST
Hi,

I bought this plant as magnolia and planted it last year.
Now everyone is telling me it may be anything but magnolia.
I would appreciate the help in identifying it.



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Apr 7, 2015 6:59 AM CST
Looks like you'll be able to see its' blooms soon. There are buds in the middle pic.
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Makanudo
Apr 7, 2015 7:46 AM CST
Saw the buds...they are at three places, but they are hanging down. All the pictures of blossoming magnolia have no stems and flowers come straight up from branch.
So it is a magnolia?
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KentPfeiffer
Apr 7, 2015 8:33 AM CST

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It's almost certainly NOT a Magnolia. It appears to have compound leaves, which is not a trait of Magnolias.

Having said that, unfortunately I can't offer any suggestions about what it IS. Sad
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sooby
Apr 7, 2015 8:35 AM CST
Makanudo said:
So it is a magnolia?


Welcome to ATP Welcome! Agree with Kent, I almost cross-posted but got the warning Smiling I too don't think it is a magnolia because it appears to have compound leaves. A magnolia should also have alternate rather than opposite leaf arrangement but can't really see which it has from the pictures. If you'd like to know what it is it may help to know roughly where you are. It will also be easier, unless someone else recognizes it as is, when the flowers are more developed.

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plantladylin
Apr 7, 2015 8:36 AM CST
It does not look like Magnolia to me, I wonder if it could be Viburnum tinus which I've heard called "Spring Bouquet Magnolia"? Once the blooms open you will better be able to get an exact ID so I hope you will post photos once those buds are open.

There are a few Viburnum tinus listed in our database: http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=Viburnum+tinus&bu...

And more info/images for comparison:
http://magnoliagardensnursery.com/plants/viburnum-tinus-comp...

http://www.mainrom.com/photoshop/viburnum-tinus-compactum-sp...

More images:
http://www.google.com/search?q=viburnum+tinus&hl=en&gbv=2&sa...

edited to say, the leaves remind me of shrubs I've seen here in the south but I don't really have a clue. Does Mock Orange (Philadelphus) have compound leaves?
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 7, 2015 8:43 AM CST
I had a Viburnum tinus when I lived in the UK and it doesn't have compound leaves either.
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KentPfeiffer
Apr 7, 2015 9:20 AM CST

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I agree It's not Viburnum tinus.
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plantladylin
Apr 7, 2015 9:28 AM CST
Yeah, definitely not Viburnum now that I look closely at leaf photos. Smiling
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greene
Apr 7, 2015 9:51 AM CST
Welcome!
Rolling on the floor laughing The pictures are sideways.
Can we ask for a clue as to which state or which country this was planted?

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Name: Milan
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Makanudo
Apr 7, 2015 11:56 AM CST

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Heres another photo...
Thanks everyone for engaging in order to help me solve this one!
I planted this last spring and it didnt blossom first year.
My location is outside US. I am in Europe, in the Balkans. We have moderate continental climate with four distinct seasons.
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Makanudo
Apr 7, 2015 11:57 AM CST
Sorry for lousy photos
Country is Serbia, city of Belgrade
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jvdubb
Apr 7, 2015 12:00 PM CST
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Makanudo
Apr 7, 2015 12:02 PM CST
Thank You!
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sooby
Apr 7, 2015 1:24 PM CST
It seems very difficult to match up the pendulous flower clusters with pinnately compound leaves, but how about Staphylea colchica, Caucasian bladdernut as a tentative possibility - at least until the flowers open completely?

http://www.plantae.ca/Staphyleaceae/Staphylea/colchica/2808....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staphylea_pinnata#/media/File:S...
http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFind...

There's also a Staphylea pinnata which I think has wider distribution. If it was sold as an ornamental, though, the native range isn't necessarily going to be all that useful.

http://www.imagines-plantarum.de/dat/0704063.html

The leaves look a little closer to S. colchica in some of the pictures though.
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JRsbugs
Apr 7, 2015 2:30 PM CST
I think you've hit the nail on the head Sue. It seems the two are one and the same plant ..

http://www.european-trees.com/bladdernut.html

Staphylea colchica takes you to Staphylea pinnata ..

http://www.european-trees.com/requete-leaf-5-composee-en--60...

http://www.botanickafotogalerie.cz/fotogalerie.php?lng=cz&la...

http://www.botanickafotogalerie.cz/index.php?lng=en

http://www.botanickafotogalerie.cz/druhy_seznam.php?lng=en&s...

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2582132

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Name: Milan
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Makanudo
Apr 7, 2015 3:24 PM CST
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I think thats it.
After reading your posts I searched further and pinnata it most probably is.
Thank You!
It is said to blossom in April and its about there.
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Name: Milan
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Makanudo
Apr 8, 2015 2:13 AM CST
We have first two flowers this morning! Smiling

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