Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: Clover and Oxalis root systems for distinguishing plants

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Name: Kyla
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kylaluaz
Apr 17, 2015 7:32 AM CST
@ofm, Okay, here ya go. I do think the leaves are the best way to distinguish these however.

Here is that oxalis we talked about:
Thumb of 2015-04-17/kylaluaz/095196
Very fine roots are clumped in soil and water as I tried to rinse off enough soil to show but all I got was this.... Confused

Here is Clover root system:
Thumb of 2015-04-17/kylaluaz/df948d
Looking closely I can see how different they are but I don't think the photo shows it all that well. Also, in the yard the clover grows very densely matted so it was hard to find a good single clump to show. And these leaves are not as distinct either ....

Here is clover again, roots closeup with the nodules that are the nitrogen fixing thingies (notice the botanical technical term here Green Grin! ):
Thumb of 2015-04-17/kylaluaz/86792f
I believe those little white lumps are where the plant has collected nitrogen from the atmosphere and stores it.... ??

Here is a picture of both plants side by side:
Thumb of 2015-04-17/kylaluaz/a8d55e

Hope this helps!

Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Apr 20, 2015 3:30 PM CST

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Wow Kyla, that was a lot of work you went to. You should write an article and submit it to ATP. Hurray!
Name: Kyla
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kylaluaz
Apr 20, 2015 5:40 PM CST
I should, shouldn't I?

LOL! Right now I am so tired from planting out this morning I can't even think about a project. Even a sitting down project.

But I probably should, as I am quite low on acorns. Hilarious!
Name: Andy
Portland, OR (Zone 8b)
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ofm
Apr 21, 2015 11:59 AM CST
Awesome, thank you!
Man I have a hard time telling them apart still. I'm terrible at this. It looks like the Oxalis has bigger roots and the clover is more uh..."hairy"? "Hair-ish"?

I'll try and get some shots of the stuff I have when I get some "time" Rolling on the floor laughing . I think I have at least 4 distinct types? Uggh.

The stuff that I have the worst problem with tends to still have the seeds attached when I pull them...shouldn't be hard to get a pic of those at least.
Name: Kyla
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kylaluaz
Apr 21, 2015 12:24 PM CST
Right, the clover has lots more (visible) little feeder roots off the main ones.

Leaf difference (and flower difference) are going to tell the tale, I tell ya!

Green Grin!
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Apr 21, 2015 9:25 PM CST
Here is one I'm sure you have in your yard OFM, its really prevalent here in Seattle (it is a type of oxalis) small little purple leaves and a yellow bloom!
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I tip my hat to you.
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valleylynn
Apr 21, 2015 9:32 PM CST

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Hurray! I have that one Greg. It is a pretty thing.
Name: Kyla
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kylaluaz
Apr 22, 2015 3:36 AM CST
It's a pretty thing and very hard to control or eradicate. Those closely packed teeny roots grab hold and leave bits of themselves to grow, when you pull the plant. That may be exactly the kind I photographed, which has green leaves, but here the climate is different too. The yellow flowers are precisely the same. Then again, there are something like 200 varieties of Oxalis.

Green Grin!
Name: Kyla
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kylaluaz
Apr 22, 2015 4:54 PM CST
Heh. Look what turned up in the Random Ideas: http://garden.org/ideas/view/Sharon/954/Let-em-Grow-White-Cl...
Name: Andy
Portland, OR (Zone 8b)
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ofm
Apr 23, 2015 4:47 PM CST
That does look pretty familiar Greg. I don't think I've ever seen one of mine flower yet - and hopefully I never will!

I know I have something that I think of as "clover", with purplish leaves and central style (as opposed to "feathery"??) root.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Apr 23, 2015 8:44 PM CST
Yes they are all over in the grass and yards in Seattle, which is why I figure its down in PO!
The plants in the photo look large but most of mine are tiny because I've weeded out the larger ones! :tiphat:
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Name: Kyla
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kylaluaz
Apr 24, 2015 10:38 AM CST
Two more pictures, probably not helpful. Green Grin! Shrug!

I tried to find one growing right next to some actual white clover but failed. Within feet, but not close enough to photograph in the same shot.

With flowers:
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with slight purple tinge to leaves:
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Name: Kate
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Eviesmummy
Apr 24, 2015 1:36 PM CST
Looking good Paddy!

I just spotted this on pinterest - how about semp filled hedgehogs in stead of cacti ones?? https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/56013589092111360/

Edited - ooops wrong thread - sorry!
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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Apr 24, 2015 4:54 PM CST
Kate those would be so cute!!
Kyla, yep, second photo is what I have all in my yard...They're cute plants but take over a bed very quickly! nodding
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kylaluaz
Apr 24, 2015 5:15 PM CST
And, they are not clover. Green Grin!
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Apr 24, 2015 5:20 PM CST
Nope they're oxalis! Hilarious! Whistling but they aren't dandelions! nodding although I read an article that dandelions are the first blooms available for bees in the spring, so one should not be too quick to weed them out - sorry, they would get out of hand too quickly around here, guess the bees will be in the neighbors' yards Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Kyla
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kylaluaz
Apr 24, 2015 5:35 PM CST
We let our yard go to whatever grows and haven't mowed yet this year because of all my new beds and stuff. (Mowing will happen next week; I'm finally organized enough I can clear away and make room.)

We've had all the usual weedy flowers for around here: veronica, chickweed, clover of course, purple lamium (lamiam?) and recently buttercups. Oh! And Star of Bethlehem! But only a couple dandelions. And the oxalis but it doesn't flower that much early on.

I think I actually stepped on a bee and got stung earlier this evening, haven't felt that in years. Was too bad to waste the bee but brought back memories.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Apr 24, 2015 5:46 PM CST
I stepped on several yellow jackets - which are wasps so they can bite repeatedly, man that was bad!!! I probably stepped on 5 or 6 of them and they each got me once or twice - Grumbling and I don't think I even killed any! I thought I'd stepped on broken glass because it hurt so badly! Thumbs down But bees always seem different to me!! Lovey dubby
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Name: Kyla
Richmond, VA (Zone 6b)
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kylaluaz
Apr 24, 2015 5:48 PM CST
Yeah, not the same thing at all. I got stung by a mean crew of Yellow Jackets once, on my head! I had disturbed their nest and they came after me. Not my favorite memory, no. Hilarious!
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Apr 24, 2015 5:56 PM CST
I hear ya! Mean ole bugs Rolling on the floor laughing nodding Oh well, I guess its all part of spending time outdoors,
and I do appreciate that!! Hurray!
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