Plant ID forum: Chenopodium seedlings

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Name: Ron
Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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rattlebox
Apr 23, 2015 10:53 AM CST
I have a packet of Spotted Beebalm seed which actually contains two types of seed.

I group-planted both Spotted Beebalm and Lemon Beebalm (separate pots) at the same time. When they sprouted, it was obvious the Spotted Beebalm pot contained two types of seedlings, and by comparing the two pots, it was easy to see which were Beebalm and which were not. I separated nine of the unidentified seedlings into a small cellpack and destroyed the rest, leaving the pot to the Beebalm.

Here are a couple close-ups of the largest seedling, showing the leaves and the stalk, and a (poor) photo of the cellpack they were moved into:

Thumb of 2015-04-23/rattlebox/c31d62 Thumb of 2015-04-23/rattlebox/409c40

Thumb of 2015-04-23/rattlebox/6039d9

When I first realized there were two types of seedlings, I immediately checked the seed pack to see if the seed themselves were mixed, or if I had inadvertantly sown the beebalm into a pot previously sown with something else.

Here is a photo of some of the seed; the photo quality is poor, but there are clearly two types. There is some chaff, but the beebalm seed look like little beetles, and the unknown seed are rough-surfaced and round.

Thumb of 2015-04-23/rattlebox/754525

I'm not expecting a definitive ID, just hoping they look familiar enough I can get a couple SWAGs (super wild-a$$ guesses) to help put me on the right track as I watch them grow.

Any thoughts?

[edited to put best photo first]
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Name: Celia
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Zencat
Apr 23, 2015 11:02 AM CST
OMgosh these look familiar. The old grey matter isn't kicking out the name. I'm going to watch with you.
Name: Jennifer
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jvdubb
Apr 23, 2015 11:18 AM CST
I love a good mystery

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bamira
Apr 23, 2015 12:10 PM CST
Seeds as Marijuana, leaves as Oak. It will be a tough joint. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Ron
Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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rattlebox
Apr 23, 2015 4:45 PM CST
Yeah, Stefan, you're probably right. Guess I won't try and smoke it. Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
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bamira
Apr 23, 2015 5:26 PM CST
you have to wait until it will flourish, smoking mature top tip Crying
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dorab
Apr 23, 2015 9:00 PM CST
They remind me of mustard leaves, but smoother. Canola?
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Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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stone
Apr 24, 2015 12:07 PM CST
Chenopodium glaucum?
Name: Ron
Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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rattlebox
Apr 24, 2015 7:02 PM CST
Stone, Chenopodium glaucum or related species looks like an actual contender. Will definitely keep this in mind as the seedlings develop.

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Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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stone
May 1, 2015 12:18 PM CST
I was doing a bit of weeding this morning, and discovered a patch of daisies with similar leaves to your seedlings.
Took a photo, but no way to upload from iPod.
I have a picture of the plant in bloom on this post from 2011:
http://www.stonethegardener.com/wp/2011/05/the-white-garden/

(scroll down to double blooming daisy, and control + the pic... See what you think).

Seems more likely that you'd get flower seeds when you purchase flower seed... Rather than some iffy vegetable.
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Name: Ron
Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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rattlebox
May 1, 2015 9:24 PM CST
I googled 'daisy seedlings', and a couple of the first photos that came up with just a couple true leaves look very close.

So I googled 'daisy seeds', but none of the seed looked round as in my mystery seed. When I get a chance in a couple days, I'll have to take the jeweler's loupe and get a real close-up view of just how these seed look.

Thanks for the input. There are a =lot= of different daisies out there, so I'm keeping an open mind.

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Name: stone
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stone
May 5, 2015 1:24 PM CST
I finally got to a real computer...
Here's that daisy... Sorry, I haven't been able to id it...

Thumb of 2015-05-05/stone/7c3718 Thumb of 2015-05-05/stone/32b669


You are right about daisies not having round seed...
Chenopodium... does.
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Name: Ron
Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
Region: Florida Hummingbirder Butterflies Bromeliad Tropicals Foliage Fan
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rattlebox
May 5, 2015 3:42 PM CST
OK, Stone... I think you hit it! Hurray!

Not the daisy, but the Chenopodium.

By the way, these were not purchased seed. They were received as part of my incoming seed from the large Hog Wild Swap seed-trading event this past winter, so not commercial seed.

I Googled "Chenopodium seed", then used a 15x jeweler's loupe to compare with my seed. Not only did it appear to be a match, I learned what I was calling a rough-surfaced seed was actually a tiny, shiny black seed covered by a thin seed coat. I took a small pinch of my seed and rubbed hard between my thumb and forefinger and checked again. Sure enough, there they were, the tiny, shiny black seed!

Thanks so much for your help! Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!

Now I can do a focused search as the plants develop to narrow down as to species.

Thanks again!


[He] decided that if a few quiet beers wouldn't allow him to see things in a different light, then a few more probably would. - Terry Pratchett

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