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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Apr 30, 2015 3:15 PM CST
Found in a 6-pack of Begonias from Lowe's. They know millions of these are going to be planted in the ground. It's definitely not perlite, it smushes flat, then bounces mostly back into shape, totally soft. Do you want to bury styrofoam in your yard?

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CarolineScott
Apr 30, 2015 3:37 PM CST
Yuk! No!
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Jul 23, 2015 3:25 PM CST
I'm still picking bits of styrofoam out of the ground.
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Feb 13, 2017 8:45 AM CST
Still picking bits of styrofoam out of the ground and am missing pansies so much. I didn't even bother going shopping for winter plants this year.
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ZenMan
Feb 13, 2017 1:08 PM CST
Hi Tiffany,

" I didn't even bother going shopping for winter plants this year. "

Was that because you thought they might have Styrofoam in their planting media? I don't think Styrofoam is a universal problem -- some growers have used it as a cheap substitute for Perlite, but not all do. Do you object to Styrofoam in the soil simply because it isn't a "natural" soil component? I can see how an Organic Gardener might be offended by Styrofoam, simply because it isn't "organic".

I live in a rural area, and we do have some foreign objects in our garden soil -- some broken pottery and glass and various sizes of nails, tacks, and staples. I pick up all such "sharp" stuff just to make the garden soil safer to work in. I don't go looking for it, but I keep a container in my shirt pocket in case I spot a dangerous item. However, I would not bother to pick up Styrofoam pieces or beads, simply because they don't pose a threat to personal injury.

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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Feb 13, 2017 1:55 PM CST
Hi! Thanks for your response.

I didn't bother because every 6-pack of annuals I've bought for the past 5-6 yrs had styro in it. I wasn't going to drive 45 minutes away to hope that wasn't the case this year, then go home empty-handed and also $10 poorer for the gas it took.

I object on several fronts. First, it's trash, I don't want bits of any kind of trash being purposely buried in my yard, I don't live in a landfill. Second, it does nothing to 'amend' soil. Third, it's ugly to look at. Fourth, unless picked up, it just stays there indefinitely.
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ZenMan
Feb 13, 2017 3:43 PM CST
Hi Tiffany,

Thanks for your clarification. I don't agree entirely with your rationale (Styrofoam beads and Perlite look very similar), but I do agree that you have the right to feel as you do. So, more power to you on picking up those "bits of trash". By picking up nails in my garden, I am just depriving my plants of iron, so an argument could be made against what I do as well.

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Baja_Costero
Feb 13, 2017 3:53 PM CST
For what it's worth, styrofoam in the soil (recycled peanuts it looks like) would be a disqualifier for me. I would never buy plants from that source again. Personal taste, and desire to have an effect on the market, and desire to keep plastic out of the soil. It's not like rock, gravel, aggregate, whatever you want to call it would be expensive as a substitute. Are you sure there's no other local source for this kind of plants, Tiffany?

I do quite a bit of gardening in landfill (a partially refilled arroyo) and have discovered all sorts of interesting surprises in there, but it's not something I chose and it's definitely something I would choose to avoid.
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Feb 13, 2017 5:55 PM CST
Thanks for the reply, Baja. WM (20 mins) & L's (just under an hour) are it for buying plants around where I am, unless I want to drive 2 hours away. I've written to both, and to Costa Farms about it.

Zen, Yes, the bits look similar to perlite, and that is why I also avoid that because I dump old soil into beds when repotting potted plants.

I didn't post to advocate for others to adopt my opinions. Just to inform whoever might be interested that if you're buying flats of annuals, some growers are using bits of styrofoam instead of perlite.
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Feb 13, 2017 8:33 PM CST
Why not consider ordering seeds online and starting your own plants? You'll have almost 100% control over what goes into your plants and soil that way.
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ZenMan
Feb 14, 2017 1:05 AM CST
purpleinopp said:Still picking bits of styrofoam out of the ground and am missing pansies so much. I didn't even bother going shopping for winter plants this year.

Hi Tiffany,

I feel bad for you that you are missing pansies. Perhaps you could start some of your own indoors under lights in a growing medium that meets your specifications. Most commercial growers do use a growing medium that contains either perlite or the styrofoam, but some growing mediums are available that don't contain either. The use of processed tree bark is becoming more common. Fafard is a brand that uses processed tree bark in some of their products.

http://fafard.com/products/

Some Walmarts carry some Fafard products during the gardening season. If you did take it on yourself to raise your own pansy plants, you would have a tremendously wide range of pansy seeds to pick from -- far more than you would have with commercial flats of pansy plants. I grow zinnias indoors during the Winter in addition to normal outdoor growing, and, although that does entail some effort on my part, I do enjoy the process itself. And I can get some zinnias that would never appear in flats for sale as plants. You might find added enjoyment in growing your own pansy plants from seed. This might be the year to try it. You can get some idea of the range of pansy seeds available from the Hazzard's listing of pansy seeds.

http://www.hazzardsgreenhouse....

Scroll all the way to the bottom of that long page and notice that you have several more pages of pansies to pick from. Hazzards is a commercial seed company, but they do sell to home gardeners as well. They have some things you can't find elsewhere. I purchased some white cactus zinnia seeds from them.

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Mar 22, 2017 12:02 AM CST
ZenMan said:
Hi Tiffany,

I feel bad for you that you are missing pansies. Perhaps you could start some of your own indoors under lights in a growing medium that meets your specifications. Most commercial growers do use a growing medium that contains either perlite or the styrofoam, but some growing mediums are available that don't contain either. The use of processed tree bark is becoming more common. Fafard is a brand that uses processed tree bark in some of their products.

http://fafard.com/products/

Some Walmarts carry some Fafard products during the gardening season. If you did take it on yourself to raise your own pansy plants, you would have a tremendously wide range of pansy seeds to pick from -- far more than you would have with commercial flats of pansy plants. I grow zinnias indoors during the Winter in addition to normal outdoor growing, and, although that does entail some effort on my part, I do enjoy the process itself. And I can get some zinnias that would never appear in flats for sale as plants. You might find added enjoyment in growing your own pansy plants from seed. This might be the year to try it. You can get some idea of the range of pansy seeds available from the Hazzard's listing of pansy seeds.

http://www.hazzardsgreenhouse....

Scroll all the way to the bottom of that long page and notice that you have several more pages of pansies to pick from. Hazzards is a commercial seed company, but they do sell to home gardeners as well. They have some things you can't find elsewhere. I purchased some white cactus zinnia seeds from them.

ZM (not associated with any product or vendor mentioned or linked)
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I'm surprised! I thought perlite provided trace minerals. After looking it up on Wikipedia, I discovered it is basically just a soil loosener like ground-up styrofoam. I won't bother using it any more. Thank you!

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ZenMan
Mar 22, 2017 11:55 AM CST
Yardenman said:I'm surprised! I thought perlite provided trace minerals. After looking it up on Wikipedia, I discovered it is basically just a soil loosener like ground-up styrofoam. I won't bother using it any more. Thank you!

Hi Yardenman,

I don't know where you got that idea about the trace minerals, but Perlite is labeled to "improve drainage and aeration in potting mixes" and, in my opinion, it does a much better job of that than the cheap styrofoam substitute.

I routinely use Perlite to improve drainage and aeration in my potting mixes, and in the seed starting mixes that need it. A waterlogged seed starting mix or potting mix is a very bad thing, and many plants or seeds or seedlings can drown in such a situation. Plant roots need both oxygen and water.

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Yardenman
Mar 24, 2017 3:38 AM CST
Yeah, but vermiculite does about the same. But I think I'll research perlite some more. Once worried, twice shy.
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purpleinopp
Mar 24, 2017 7:59 AM CST
Thanks for the links & info about the pansies, ZM!

It's not just pansies though. All of the flats of annuals, and some of the larger, individual plant pots have styrofoam. Buying a few flats of any kinds of plants to augment the landscape has become unacceptable to me now, where it used to be something I did once or twice a year, depending on funds.

Vermiculite collapses under the slightest pressure when wet, and would provide the opposite result vs. perlite. Less air in soil, more compaction, a recipe for "overwatering."
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Mar 24, 2017 8:23 AM CST
purpleinopp said:
Vermiculite collapses under the slightest pressure when wet, and would provide the opposite result vs. perlite. Less air in soil, more compaction, a recipe for "overwatering."


Can you give more information on that?

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purpleinopp
Mar 25, 2017 5:16 AM CST
Absolutely.

http://cubits.org/containergar...

https://books.google.com/books...

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Mar 31, 2017 2:02 AM CST
The first link doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. The 2nd does, and I may reduce my use of vermiculite on account of that.

Thank you.
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purpleinopp
Mar 31, 2017 7:42 AM CST
Happy to try to help your investigation. :+)
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KarenHolt
Apr 9, 2017 8:14 AM CST
Well, you could always buy the plants and when planting, loosen the soil around the roots then plant. I loosen every root of each plant before going in their hole. This way you've gotten your plant you wanted, you've rid your ground of Styrofoam and your plant will grow better. Where there's a will, there's a way. Otherwise, you're going to find another nursery or grow yourself from seed. Good luck.

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