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Name: Donald
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needrain
May 22, 2015 9:20 AM CST
gardenglory said:I have for some reason gotten hooked this year on the big round ones. It always been spiders and ufos that are my first love, but these big ole round ones...love.
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Imaginery numbers x lilians vapor trail
I have shown the siblings to this before, but this is the one Ive been waiting for to bloom, of the siblings. It has such a tall scape good branching. As you can se...its the story of my seedling plight. Best flowers come off worst plants and I finally get a great plant and the flower is...well not so great. I think Im going to keep it for a bridge plant for one year and see what its babies do, since its sibling were far better looking. This was the first bloom, Ill see what the rest do.
Man... Shrug!


What do you not like about it? Looks okay to me. The way the sepals point out gives it interesting form if it does that all the time and the contrasting pattern on them helps the effect. Colors don't look muddy or anything. So....?

Donald
Name: pam
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gardenglory
May 22, 2015 9:31 AM CST
The siblings were much whiter and the purple much deeper. Im going to give it a change to pass on those traits. Well one chance.
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Betja
May 23, 2015 1:02 AM CST
I absolutely love those last two, Fred!

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spunky1
May 23, 2015 3:59 AM CST
Thanks Betty.
Pam the thing to remember when hybridizing daylilies, to gain something your going to lose something 90% of the time, it's that other 10% that makes it all worth while. All these pretty seedlings I have posted, I will be lucky if a half dozen make it to registration.

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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
May 23, 2015 6:29 AM CST
Fred - Those are just beautiful! All of them!!! Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Hurray! Hurray!

Question: What are the characteristics that you are specifically looking for to create a registration-worthy daylily?
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Name: pam
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gardenglory
May 23, 2015 6:33 AM CST
great great colors today Fred.

As far as culling, Im pretty good at that. I think I only have two seedlings that are over 3 years old. What is hard the first year to toss, becomes very easy the second year in the heat of the summer Whistling
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
May 23, 2015 8:17 PM CST
Pam - You are going to have to tell what you don't like about Imaginery numbers x lilians vapor trail because I think it is lovely! Wow! Looks quite large, too! Thumbs up

Seems my previous post didn't make it, so am going to comment on some posts way before this one:

Ashton - Thank you for posting sibling photos of ROTKB X Kaleidoscopic Intrigue. It is quite interesting how different they all look yet there are similarities, too!

Pat - Ooooh! That is a pretty one! 'Gnashing of Teeth' x 'Jackie Kennedy Onassis' has some nice attributes. I like pastels as well as bright colored daylilies. Love the green in several locations on it!

Fred - Love all those sibling photos. I really like comparing them to see which attributes carry through on all of them and what attributes are so different. Always fascinating to me! Thanks for sharing all those great photos!



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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
May 23, 2015 9:19 PM CST
Just a few seedling blooms. Nothing quite as stunning as those photos many of you have posted, but it's always fun to see what crosses can produce. I like to know what characteristics seem to carry onto the next generation from named daylilies.

I'll start with the 1 unknown parentage daylily blooms first:

CCC57:

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CCC58 (Parents are: Little Peter Piper x Orchids with Eyes):

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Another bloom on Noonday Dreams x Purple Crowned Fairy (CCC53):

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Dragonfly Dawn x Dragonfly Dawn sibling (CCC59):

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This is what CCC59 looked like last year when it bloomed for the 1st time:

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Galaxy Explosion x Lily Munster newest sibling (ZZZ47):

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Name: Peggy
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hazeleyes
May 24, 2015 6:02 AM CST
like CCC58 Big Grin
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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
May 24, 2015 6:55 AM CST
I also like CCC58, there is a lot going on with that bloom.

Pam if that LVT seedling has everything you like except the bloom
you expected, I would certainly keep it, you may find the second
year that the bloom is pretty awesome after maturing for a year.

To me this is the ideal scape for a UF, you can see how the
branching grows away from the main scape to help prevent
crowding of the blooms. The scape has to be strong enough
to support the blooms as in the second photo with 7 blooms.
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Name: pam
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gardenglory
May 24, 2015 7:18 AM CST
This year Im keeping everything, I didnt get to plant new seedlings last year ( altho that wont happen this year, I just planted my first tray yesterday, from last years seeds) . The reason I am keeping the few seedling that did bloom, is that embarassing spray of roundup I did on them in the spring and then had to cut them all back. Im not sure how that affected things, so I will for sure keep it for another year. . It doesnt scape anything like Freds yet, but is showing the lower branches.

I started realizing, I was making to many seedling that looked like something already out there. Its like, If so and so can make a nice something for 200 bucks, Ill just get two flowers and make my own. Shrug! Blinking Confused . Thats ok, but whats the point. I find Im much happier in the ufo sdlg. world, than the round forms. My imagination isnt working well with those
Name: Donald
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needrain
May 24, 2015 7:50 AM CST
spunky1 said:
To me this is the ideal scape for a UF, you can see how the
branching grows away from the main scape to help prevent
crowding of the blooms. The scape has to be strong enough
to support the blooms as in the second photo with 7 blooms.
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I love that. I'm sceptical that with the heat and wind that is usual for my location, the stalks would manage to stay upright without staking. Too much surface area for the wind to catch and excessive heat tends to make things droop no matter how much water they've been given. It's still the way to go for a stalk.

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Name: pam
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gardenglory
May 24, 2015 7:55 AM CST
Hurray! I went out after posting above. Guess who is looking much better on the second bloom, even without the umbrella or cleaning the leaves from the pot behind. Green Grin!
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Name: Debra
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shive1
May 24, 2015 9:46 AM CST
Pam - I think your cascading seedling looks great, even with those long, long sepals! It looks like a very large flower too! I'd love to see all the photos of the sibs together.
Name: pam
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May 24, 2015 10:11 AM CST
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This was the first of the 3 sdlgs. By far my favorite. It was just a stick with two buds, never could get it going.
Name: Karen
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Cookies4kids
May 24, 2015 10:43 AM CST
Wow that is just stunning. I had always hoped to have lots of spiders but somehow got sidetracked. I am going back and trying to add more of them now.
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Name: Leslie
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Lalambchop1
May 24, 2015 11:23 AM CST
Pam, I like both of the ones you showed. I hope you'll keep them. Remember, I have one of "yours" up here. It's from seed you sent me.
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Fred, your seedlings are inspiring, and depressing, as usual. Hilarious! You've got the touch. What is the name of the one with that amazing scape?

Becky, I'm in the boat for CCC58. Could it be from Rosabelle Van Valkenburgh?



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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
May 24, 2015 3:11 PM CST
Where have you been for so long Lady? Good to here from you again.
Looking a lot better Pam
Another example of a decent scape.
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A different angle
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
May 25, 2015 8:22 AM CST
I have another bloom on CCC58 today. I had marked it as unknown parentage because what I originally had for parents did not look like it. But upon further research, I do believe the original parentage marked on the baggie is indeed correct. It's amazing what some crosses produce!

Today's bloom of CCC58 (Parents are: Little Peter Piper x Orchids with Eyes):
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To me the bloom doesn't really look like either parent (maybe a little). But if you trace the parent's lines & children, oh yes!!! I definitely see this hybrid's genes become apparent!
Pod Parent: Little Peter Piper: Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Little Peter Piper')
It's children: http://garden.org/plants/paren...

Pollen Parent: Orchid with Eyes: Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Orchids with Eyes')
Check out OWE's pollen parent "Blue Oasis": Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Blue Oasis')
And 2 of the children from Blue Oasis:
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Westbourne Tid Bit')
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Westbourne Crowns of Glory')

This is why I get such a kick out of hybidizing! That must be coming from some creative gene in MY genetic make-up! LOL! I love to hybridize plants especially daylilies!!!

Edited to add: This is a little bloom that is only 3", seems to be rust resistant so far, too. I can just imagine a clump of this one! I hope this multiplies and blooms it's pretty tiny head off next year!
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
May 25, 2015 9:33 AM CST
Fred - Thank you for posting those photos of good branching on daylily scapes! I have several daylilies this year that exhibit really nice branching similar to some of yours! Though not as many buds and branches as you've managed to create!

I am also trying to breed for rust resistance. What a challenge!! And of course breeding for a pretty flower is at the top of my list as well.

#1 - Pretty bloom (something different that the usual)
#2 - Good branching with lots of buds on a sturdy, upright scape
#3 - Rust resistance

That is basically the order that I am prioritizing my hybridizing efforts. A tall order for a home gardener! Wished I had acres of land to grow seedlings. Not a quarter of an acre with a house in the middle of the property. Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

This is an example of some decent branching and blooms on scapes in my garden:
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Sometimes I get so caught up with the look of the blooms that I forget about branching on strong scapes! Thanks for reminding me of that very desirable attribute! Thank You!

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