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May 22, 2015 9:43 AM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
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these have been swarming around my rose bush lately. I'm not sure what they are. Anyone have any ideas? I can try to get a better photo if need be...
thanks!
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May 22, 2015 11:43 AM CST
Name: Sue
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I would need a better image, perhaps someone else might have an idea from the current one if that's not possible.
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May 25, 2015 8:27 AM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
PNW WA half hour south of Olym (Zone 8a)
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Sorry for the delay in getting a good photo. Here are 2 photos. If the one on the flower isn't clear enough, I can enlarge it some more and upload again.

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May 25, 2015 9:55 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
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So... did he eat that hole, or is he waiting to eat the bug that did?
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May 25, 2015 9:58 AM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
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I have no idea, Pork. That's why I want to find out what kind of bug it is. Big Grin
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May 25, 2015 12:16 PM CST
Name: Sue
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The one on the rose looks like a sawfly adult to me. Is the one on the yellow flower something different?
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May 25, 2015 1:23 PM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
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thanks for the ID, Sue. Sad
So how do I get rid of sawflies??

I'm not sure if the bug on the yellow flower is different or not...
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May 25, 2015 3:04 PM CST
Name: Sue
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Depends if it is a sawfly that goes after roses or was just an accidental visitor. I can't ID it sufficiently from the image. Have you have any "worms" feeding on the leaves? The other critter looks slightly different to me, a closer picture may help.
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May 25, 2015 4:24 PM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
PNW WA half hour south of Olym (Zone 8a)
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This sawfly has definitely gone after my roses. Sad
Glad the other critter looks different! Thumbs up
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May 25, 2015 4:31 PM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
PNW WA half hour south of Olym (Zone 8a)
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Hi. here's a closer view of that other bug. Please let me know if you need me to try and get another photo.

thanks for your help!

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May 25, 2015 4:42 PM CST
Name: Sue
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There's a factsheet on rose sawflies on the Missouri Botanical Garden site, it's called "rose and pear slugs (sawflies)" and it suggests some controls. You should be able to get to it by Googling on the keywords rose sawflies missouri or something similar. I can't get my iPad to paste a link, unfortunately.

Edit: Cross-posted - what is the yellow flower? I don't think it's the same but not sure. It's not likely that a rose sawfly would go for an unrelated plant either.
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May 25, 2015 5:04 PM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
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thanks, Sue--I'll look for that!
The yellow flower is a coreopsis.
It's good to know that rose sawflies aren't interested in other plant species!
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May 26, 2015 8:41 AM CST
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May 26, 2015 12:47 PM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
PNW WA half hour south of Olym (Zone 8a)
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Thanks so much Woofie!
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May 28, 2015 5:50 PM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
PNW WA half hour south of Olym (Zone 8a)
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I got another photo of the bug on the coreopsis. Here are both pics side by side.

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May 30, 2015 5:01 AM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
PNW WA half hour south of Olym (Zone 8a)
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I got an ID on the bugs on the coreopsis. They are tumbling flower beetles (family Mordellidae).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...
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May 30, 2015 9:15 AM CST
Name: Sue
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I wondered about those from your first pic because of the pointy bit that sticks out at the back but I wasn't certain that it wasn't legs or something. Kind of looks like this one, also on coreopsis:

http://bugguide.net/node/view/...
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May 30, 2015 1:03 PM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
PNW WA half hour south of Olym (Zone 8a)
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Thanks, Sue! Yes, that does look like it!! Thumbs up Hurray!
Do you know whether the tumbling flower beetles are beneficial, harmful, or neutral? Just want to know if I should worry about them...
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May 30, 2015 2:41 PM CST
Name: Sue
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Hard to find info but my copy of the Peterson Field Guide to Beetles says for tumbling flower beetles "Larvae occur in dead or dying hardwoods, in pith of weeds, or in bracket fungi; they are believed to eat the plant materials." I did see a few references on the web to some species having larvae that are stalk borers. Nothing about the adults being harmful.
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May 30, 2015 3:00 PM CST
Name: Catmint/Robin
PNW WA half hour south of Olym (Zone 8a)
Region: Pacific Northwest Region: Mid-Atlantic Region: Maryland Butterflies Bee Lover Native Plants and Wildflowers
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thanks so much for the info, Sue! Guess I should be on the lookout... Thank You!
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