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Sccannalover
Aug 9, 2015 12:11 PM CST

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Medium height 5'-6' Italian group yellow stamen apple green foliage clear margins.
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Calif_Sue
Aug 12, 2015 11:55 AM CST

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It could be Canna (Canna x generalis 'Britannia')

or Canna Lily (Canna x generalis 'Picasso')

or Canna (Canna 'Roma')
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plantladylin
Aug 12, 2015 3:45 PM CST
Sccannalover, your photo is a bit blurry, do you possibly have a clearer photo you can share?

'Roma' has a very narrow cream to white leaf margin.

'Picasso' is said to be a dwarf variety, reaching heights of 3 to 4 feet. The two photos in our database look totally different, I believe the one on the right is definitely Picasso but not the one on the left.
Another photo of Picasso can be viewed here: https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/94337/Canna-Picasso/Details?re...

'Britannia' is said to have large ruffly blooms.

I wonder if yours could be 'Orange King Humbert'?
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eclayne
Aug 12, 2015 4:13 PM CST

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Thanks for noting my misplaced photo of 'Picasso' Lin. I'll move it to the the parent plant entry.
Evan

Dahlias
Sccannalover
Aug 12, 2015 6:25 PM CST
It's either Roma or bravaria or Italian. Got it 15+ years ago and forgot lol
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plantladylin
Aug 13, 2015 9:56 AM CST
I think you can rule out 'Roma' since you said that the leaves on your plant have clear margins. The cultivar 'Roma' has thin creamy white leaf margins as shown in these photos:


I think you can also rule out 'Italia' as the blooms in your photo don't appear to have the notched red labellum/lip as shown in our database photo below or as described here: http://cannanews.blogspot.com.au/2009/06/revisiting-canna-it...


We don't have a listing for a Canna 'Bavaria' in our database but when I googled, I found this information and photos for comparison, your plant may very well be 'Bavaria': https://cannanews.wordpress.com/category/bavaria/
http://cannanews.blogspot.com/2009/01/revisiting-canna-bavar...

Hopefully someone familiar with Canna's will see your post and pop in with suggestions on an exact ID. I wonder if member @FleudeLisCanna is still around ATP, she may be able to offer suggestions.
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Sccannalover
Aug 13, 2015 10:08 AM CST
Ty very much
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plantladylin
Aug 13, 2015 10:17 AM CST
You are very welcome; hopefully members who are more knowledgeable and familiar with Canna's will be along with some suggestions soon!
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Calif_Sue
Aug 13, 2015 10:46 AM CST

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We have Canna (Canna 'Bavaria') in the database now. Thumbs up
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Sccannalover
Aug 13, 2015 12:57 PM CST
Ty Cali sue. I've had this canna 15 years and had it narrowed down to 3, but with Cannas there just isn't enough specific details to be sure. All three italia, Roma, and bravaria will have changing color variances as the summer goes along. Very frustrating when they give exact details and variances on same plant lol

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Sccannalover
Aug 13, 2015 1:02 PM CST
This plant like most mature Italian group cultivars has a lot of blooms that has 2 labellums which is cool but throws in more Discrepancy in labellum characteristics.
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FleudeLisCanna
Aug 23, 2015 11:15 PM CST
Sorry I missed these posts earlier .. been 'away' with some eye probs .. all good.

There is some variation with canna names in different parts of the world eg. the same canna may be also be known as another name or even have been 'long term' mis-named/ID'd to start with.

The one's as mentioned in the Italian Group: Italia, Roma, Brittania, Cattleya (I'm not familiar with Bavaria in Australia) have all been mixed up at one time or another.
I do know that Roma does have distinctive white/cream edging to leaves & that Italia has the notched lower labellum .. which will remove them from the question.

There is then possibly either Cattleya or Britannia as the answer .. both of which 'may be' the same canna .. I have been trialing both here for 6yrs .. and I find them the same in conditions here. Both will change flower colour/pattern dependant on heat/weather conditions, neither produce seeds, the rhisomes are the same, the height is the same, they grow at the same rate, the stems & foliage are the same with no white edging .. and they also, at odd times, have a 'hare-lip' .. just to throw a 'curved ball' .. on some blooms, sometimes.

I think that the site Canna News has the best info on these & also shows some of the other names they have been known by over the years. I did take several pics of the foliages on all of these at some stage a cple yrs ago .. when I can see more clearly to sort thru them, I'll post them to the site.

From the pic in the question at the beginning .. I'd say it mostly resembles the one I have as Cattleya .. as I do find that Britannia s'times Confused has a more 'floppy' flower more often than my Cattleya .. cannas .. gotta love 'em!
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