Plant ID forum: Common Nightshade (Solanum americanum)

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Name: Jim D
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Aug 13, 2015 6:13 PM CST

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Name: Jolana
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Aug 13, 2015 6:27 PM CST
Hi Jim looks like it might be a black nightshade
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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 13, 2015 6:41 PM CST
Jolana I was wondering , Don't know , don't eat applied . How can you tell ? Difference difficult ?
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Name: Christine
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wildflowers
Aug 13, 2015 6:49 PM CST
I would guess yours to be Common Nightshade (Solanum americanum)
http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/weeds/plants/black_night...

One way to distinguish Common nightshade from the deadly Black Nightshade (Solanum nigrum) is by the fruit.

S. nigrum has dull ripe fruit and S. americanum has shiny ripe fruit.

here are a couple of sites with details:
http://www.eattheweeds.com/american-nightshade-a-much-malign...
http://foragersharvest.com/black-nightshade-2/

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Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Aug 13, 2015 6:52 PM CST
Compare photos https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylc=X1MDMjE0MjQ3ODk0OAR... Not even close. There are hundreds of plants out there with purple berries, but most aren't edible to humans. Look at leaves, stems growth habit, etc, before eating.
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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 13, 2015 6:58 PM CST
I was looking at the three to five Berry set . americanum has three , Black has five , like the the picture (mine )
Looking at huckleberry (garden type) it has grape type rows ,
I have seen either with either though ,this is tough , Looks like a pot and grow a few times for the fun of it ?
Marking it solved Solanum and Nightshade it is for now ,
Thank you all , I will look the info some more
I will save this also ,
Thank You!
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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 13, 2015 7:03 PM CST
ctcarol You search shows perennial Huckleberry These are similar unto Garden Huckleberry an annual , I am familiar with perennial Huckleberry I had a small bush that lived two years , difficult to establish here Thank You!
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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 13, 2015 7:09 PM CST
I don't know ctcarol , if the links will work or not ,

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images...
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Name: Christine
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wildflowers
Aug 13, 2015 7:12 PM CST
Jim, when you check out this site - http://foragersharvest.com/black-nightshade-2/ if you cannot see all the print, right click and "select all". It's a very good read if you are interested in some studies regarding the edibility of S. americanum.

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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 13, 2015 7:18 PM CST
Believe it or Wildflowers I have read that link , It is like my American Bittersweet , or Chinese , or the Euro variety that has been here NA for two centuries , Lot of discussions about what is what is not ,, and ,, I am not eating any of them !!! Smiling
I have the deadly variety of Bittersweet , American native and wild ,

Very interesting wildflowers and plants are
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Aug 13, 2015 7:31 PM CST
The locals call S. americanum "Garden Huckleberry" around here too. Supposedly, the flavor improves if you leave the berries on the vine until after frost. I haven't tried, mainly because my chickens eat them. They also eat the plant's young leaves. Smiling
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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 13, 2015 7:38 PM CST
wildflowers thread stray , my Bittersweet is a sometimes host for Luna Moth , Solanum Family
family .. Most know them destroying them as the smoother looking Tomato Hornworm . Three or four differences of those also ,, It gets complicated ,?
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wildflowers
Aug 14, 2015 9:57 AM CST
Hmmm. I'm not familiar with Bittersweet-Solanum family. I agree about the hornworms looking alike, the luna moth caterpillar included if one doesn't look really close. The hummingbird moth is another.
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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 14, 2015 10:12 AM CST
Wildflowers Solanum Dulcamara Is mine here

Celastrus scandens - Plant Finder - Missouri Botanical Garden
[url=www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder]www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder[/url]
oh well , link error type in , Bittersweet -Nightshade
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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 14, 2015 10:35 AM CST
Solanum Dulcamara
Native American Nightshade , a vine , known as Bittersweet I know thread straying ,, Hilarious! Shrug! Sighing!
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Bloom end


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Bloom with green Berry (unripe


Red ripe Berries

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Name: Christine
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wildflowers
Aug 14, 2015 10:53 AM CST
Okay, according to http://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=SODU it's not documented growing in Tx. but its probably around here somewhere.

From all the holes in yours, something is enjoying it! Hilarious!
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Name: Christine
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wildflowers
Aug 14, 2015 10:57 AM CST
You should add your images to the database Thumbs up

Climbing Nightshade (Solanum dulcamara)

Common Nightshade (Solanum americanum)
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