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Aug 16, 2015 7:41 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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I've been having fun attempting to find ids for some noids, and have recently had some successes, which spurs me forward. Using our ATP data base and searching for characteristics turned up this one that I'm pretty sure is a match.



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I've found you sometimes have to play around with different combinations and descriptions, like trying violet, purple, or wine or cream, brown, etc. Another example is you may need to switch between bitone and bicolor.

Recently found a possible id for a soft brown historic thanks to a photo Sherry (@Henhouse) posted of Glen Ellen. I'll be growing these side by side to make a more positive assessment (thanks Sherry!).
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Now here's one that kinda has me scratching my head as to how to describe it. How would you describe the colors and color classification?
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I'd love to see your noids and work on solving some puzzles together!
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Aug 16, 2015 7:45 AM CST
Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
The orange beard is a standout feature, but would they call it orange, or tangerine, or what?
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Aug 16, 2015 7:58 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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Or maybe even red, but I need to try all 3 and see what comes up. I wish there were boxes to check for beard color like the other color options. I just tried search options bicolor, lavender and wine, and tangerine beard and came up with this:

Not a match, but taking me in the right direction...
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Aug 16, 2015 8:01 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
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I love this iris and would love to identify it. It seems unique enough to be a possibility of finding the id, but its another I'm not sure how to describe it.
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"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Aug 16, 2015 8:05 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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By using bicolor, orange and white, tangerine beard, I came up with:
Tall Bearded Iris (Iris 'Signpost')

Does anyone have a photo of Signpost?
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Aug 16, 2015 8:14 AM CST
Name: Pam
Pennsylvania
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Neal maybe Latin Lover?


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Not a very good shot of the beard, but it is a bright orange. This one is listed as lavender pink and wine purple bitone
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Aug 16, 2015 8:21 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
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Pam, that does look close! And the name is ringing a bell too. A lot of my noids came from trades when I was just looking for a variety of colors of bearded irises. Many came with names, I just didn't keep up with them. Often when I see the name it sparks a memory.....yayyy!!! ...sometimes I CAN remember things, LOL!


The form and colors look right, but none of the data base photos show as bright a beard. Does beard color vary under differing conditions?
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Aug 16, 2015 8:25 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
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For the orange and white one, I just tried switching the search parameters from bicolor to plicata and came up with this:


Closer, but I would like to see more photos of it...
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Aug 16, 2015 8:48 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA (Zone 6b)
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The orange isn't a plicata in my view.

Your first flower is a bi-color--lavender standards, purple falls with violet edge--orange beards ?????
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Aug 16, 2015 8:59 AM CST
Name: Pam
Pennsylvania
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The angle of the photo can pick up different characteristics of the beard. Here is a side view.


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Not completely in focus - but you can see more orange. Shows better from above. But I don't have a picture from that angle.
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Aug 16, 2015 9:11 AM CST
Northern CA (Zone 9a)
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Neal, this is a great thread idea. It can help identify our iris, teach terminalogy, and learn how to use the database better. For me this is a win-win.
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Aug 16, 2015 10:08 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
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Neal -- check out Sweeter Than Wine for your lavender bi-color.
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Aug 16, 2015 10:37 AM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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I thought of that one too Mary Ann, and checked it out, don't think it's a match.
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Aug 16, 2015 11:12 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
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Lucy, I wouldn't have thought it a plicata either, but the one from the data base looks even less like a plicata to me. Some of the designations are kinda iffy to me.

Sweeter than Wine also looks close. In some photos the beards look brighter than others.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Aug 16, 2015 11:45 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA (Zone 6b)
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close to the correct plant. Not sure about the white ends of the beards from your photo.
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Aug 16, 2015 12:42 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Aug 16, 2015 1:12 PM CST
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Liason has white tips on the beard, don't see that in Neal's shot.

Neal, when I first opened and looked at your orange one, it reminded me of one I have:
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Aug 16, 2015 1:34 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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I guess I was looking at Mary Ann's pic of Sweeter Then Wine, thinking that was Neal's NOID...Dahhh, but here's my Sweeter Then Wine, it has a tiny bit of white on the tips, but not much. Anyway, Neal, if you want I can ship you a test plant of both Liaison and Sweeter Then Wine if you'd like.

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Aug 16, 2015 4:52 PM CST
Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
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Neal,

I have "Ominous Stranger", but it took a hit this year. Remind me and I will send you one next year so you can verify it.
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Aug 16, 2015 5:56 PM CST
Name: Charlotte
Salt Lake City, Utah (Zone 7a)
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Neal,

When I saw your first picture, my thought was Camelot Rose, but it doesn't have the lighter rim on the falls. I think it is Latin Lover. Liason has more lines around the hafts as does Sweeter Than Wine which also has wider falls. There is more color in the standards in most pictures I have seen of Latin Lover, but that could be weather or soil, etc.

Cajun Rhythm looks just right,
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