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Sep 6, 2015 4:36 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
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OK. I made the big decision and definitely am going to grow some Plumeria from seed. Will likely start some ASAP and some later in my basement. Yeah - I know. Being in Zone 5 b I am nuts. :-)

I usually start cranking up my indoor seed starting right after New Year's day - stuff that requires a very long growing season; examples Luffa sponge, Casa banana, Artichokes, Ipomea Moon flower.

I have an area about 400 sq feet with many banks of flourescents and 2 x 500 W warehouse metal halide lights.

I will likely buy 5 - 10 packs of seeds - yeah I know Sticking tongue out

Recomendations on what I should attempt?

TY in advance. I know some of you have an absolute wealth of knowledge and I have reviewed a lot of threads here. I am getting excited. Drooling Certainly encouraged by DrDawg's 14 MO bloomer. I tip my hat to you. And no - I will not run this past DW Smiling I just show her after the fact when they are up. For example, she was quite excited when I showed her some 6 " Heliconia seedlings.
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Sep 6, 2015 5:20 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
David, I germinated my very first plumeria seeds (two) that last week in December and the first week in January. With proper inside conditions (easy stuff), apparently you can germinate seeds any time you wish. I don't know a thing about seeds, what's good, what's not so good. My seeds were all donated. Others who grow plumeria, particularly those in S. CA and FL, can give you some suggestions on what seeds to look for.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

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Sep 6, 2015 8:58 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
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drdawg said: With proper inside conditions (easy stuff), apparently you can germinate seeds any time you wish. .


Yeah - I have started seed throughout the year and typically start from 500 - 2,000 seeds/year. The biggest problem indoors is plants getting lanky/leggy cause once that happens, there is nothing you can do. It can be prevented a bit by not starting seeeds so early ( :- ) ) and judicious use of lighting. Of course a heated greenhouse alleviates much of this. Damping off is another problem encountered more indoors than out.

Unfortunately, in my Zone and without a heated greenhouse, I have to start things in the basement and deal with it.
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Sep 7, 2015 5:55 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Yes, that is a real difference between the way I grow and the way you grow. Without my greenhouses, I would only have a handful of tropical plants. What in the world do you do with 500-2000 seedlings? Do you not have any of your plumeria go dormant?
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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Sep 7, 2015 9:18 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
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drdawg said:Yes, that is a real difference between the way I grow and the way you grow. Without my greenhouses, I would only have a handful of tropical plants. What in the world do you do with 500-2000 seedlings? Do you not have any of your plumeria go dormant?


I have a business, Pony Express Plants and sell at a local farmers' market. I also give away a lot. And of course, grow for my own garden - whis IS filling up. Heh I recently weed whacked a "natural" area and have freed up about 500 - 700 sq feet of new planting area. I trade as well cause I grow so many weird things and other peeps always have things I want.

WRT Plumeria, I only have one. Smiling I got Little Darling a bit over a year ago as a rooted cutting and kept it basically dormant in my basement.

Am considering buying another and definitely will be growing from seed. Hck - I can wait 14 months to see a bloom. Rolling on the floor laughing

cheers
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Sep 7, 2015 9:20 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
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WRT recs, guess I will just have to do my own research and wing it. Sighing!
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Sep 10, 2015 1:28 AM CST
Name: david sevitt
jerusalem israel
when do seed pods appear on a plant?is it a matter of age?
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Sep 10, 2015 3:20 AM CST

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Not really; you just have to have pollinators around; or you can try to hand pollinate. If you google that. there are plenty of good descriptions on the web.
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Sep 10, 2015 6:14 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Hetty, are you saying that my plants should be able to grow seed pods? As you know, in 25+ years of growing plumeria, I have never had a single pod form. I have plenty of pollinators.
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Sep 10, 2015 6:44 AM CST

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Yes, Ken, there is no reason why your plants should not be able to produce pods. Unless you spray heavily with insecticides which of course kill the good guys with the bad...
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Sep 10, 2015 6:59 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I basically use no insecticides, Hetty. I have lots of moths, butterflies, bees, and (unfortunately) wasps around. I just assumed I never had seed pods because of my long dormant period. Of course, I do keep my plumeria (standards) cut back so that I can get them inside in the fall. Perhaps that's the reason. For the first time I have a couple of compact growers, so perhaps........... I really don't know why I have never had one.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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Sep 10, 2015 8:34 AM CST

Plumerias Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Forum moderator
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If you trim this year's growth in the fall you will likely trim off any baby seedpods that may be forming.
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Sep 10, 2015 9:33 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I have never seen a "baby" seedpod. So you are saying that rooting a cutting now (there is still time to do so) would stop any seed-pod development?
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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Sep 10, 2015 9:48 AM CST

Plumerias Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Forum moderator
Region: Florida Cat Lover Garden Sages Cactus and Succulents Tropicals Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle
The seed pod should have formed by now, on any inflorescence that is still or has finished blooming. Here is a picture of what a newly formed pod would look like.
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Sep 10, 2015 9:55 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I will look more closely at my stalks, but I am quite sure I have never seen anything like that. Shrug!
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

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Sep 10, 2015 9:58 AM CST
Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
Adeniums Tropicals Morning Glories Container Gardener Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
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These pods kind of look like newly forming Adenium seed pods.
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Sep 10, 2015 10:12 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Good to know, KD. I have never had a seed pod on an Adenium either, but I am just beginning to grow Adenium from (donated) seed. Mine are only two months old and 4" tall.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

I don't have gray hair, I have a lot of wisdom-highlights. I must be very wise.
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Sep 10, 2015 10:30 AM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
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Regaining my hijacked thread.

Here is what I ordered from BBB.

Celadine
Dwarf Gem (the only dwarf he has)
Moragne *
Pudica
Vera Cruz Lutica *
Plumeria sp. Alba

All are 5 seeds except * which are 10.

I frown when I only have 5 seeds to work with. At the same time, with full germination, doanno WTH I would do with 40 new plumeria plants.
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Sep 10, 2015 10:35 AM CST
Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
Adeniums Tropicals Morning Glories Container Gardener Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
Dog Lover Cat Lover Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Butterflies Permaculture
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
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Sep 10, 2015 10:58 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I don't know whether I will ever germinate any more plumeria seeds (I don't know what I am going to do with all the seedlings I have now Whistling ), but if you come anywhere close to 100% germination, please tell how you did it. I have never had more than 50% germination (and often much less), and I have tried three different methods.
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