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Sep 19, 2015 3:42 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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I found this one along the road in an Atlantic Forest area in Paraty, Brazil.
The leaf margins are entire, it was in bud..


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Sep 19, 2015 10:15 AM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
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Maybe. Need to see better shots of a plant.
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Sep 19, 2015 2:44 PM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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I understand Dave, you might need more clear detailed photos, these captures are not the best I agree..
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Sep 19, 2015 3:52 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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Did you happen to take any photos of the open flowers?

If this plant was growing along the roadside and not in a botanical garden it could be most anything.
Agave sisalana is one possibility as it has been grown in Brazil for many decades.
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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Sep 19, 2015 10:04 PM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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No Green, no pics of the open flower, I didn't pass that road again on foot
Agave sisalana is a great suggestion and maybe most likely as it is the only Agave species recorded in the 'Flora do Brasil' as being naturalized in several states, not the Rio de Janeiro state though but in its neighbour state Bahia.
Being on a road side could well have been an escapée..
http://floradobrasil.jbrj.gov....
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Sep 19, 2015 10:52 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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Thanks for the acorn tip! Hurray!
I was researching and the 'experts' agree that there is some details in the flower which would aid in making a positive identification, and that the flowers point downward in the F. foetida point upward in the A. sisalana.
Guess you will have to grab your camera and make another trip to Brazil. Rolling on the floor laughing Thumbs up
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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Sep 19, 2015 11:32 PM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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I was researching and the 'experts' agree that there is some details in the flower which would aid in making a positive identification, and that the flowers point downward in the F. foetida point upward in the A. sisalana.

Great info! And thanks for your research work! Thumbs up
Guess you will have to grab your camera and make another trip to Brazil. Rolling on the floor laughing Thumbs up

Any excuse would be good to go back and escape a couple winter months.. Hilarious!
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Sep 20, 2015 8:09 AM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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Thumbs up I tip my hat to you.
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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Sep 20, 2015 8:41 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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Furcraea foetida has teeth on the lower margins of the leaves, I can't see any on your plant Myriam. I can see what looks like a sharp brown tip on one of the leaves. The flower branches are short on yours and not well branched.

http://keyserver.lucidcentral....

Agave sisalana does look possible, there's a photo of the buds on this link which are maybe more advanced but similar.

http://keyserver.lucidcentral....

More photos, one showing the basal rosette which looks similar, although the leaves are longer..

http://www.virboga.de/Agave_si...
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Sep 20, 2015 9:08 AM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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Edited to remove post. Thanks. Thumbs up
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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Sep 20, 2015 9:26 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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The second link of Janet did work for me Green Shrug!
Thanks Janet, I think my plant had not the optimal growing conditions with all that competition around it in a limited space. If it had it would have grown in a much more impressive specimen I think..
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Sep 20, 2015 9:47 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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The second link didn't work for a start, it had a 'html' at the end. I changed it afterwards. nodding

Looking at the Asparagaceae family on Flora do Brasil, there's nothing else it can be other than Agave sisalana.

http://reflora.jbrj.gov.br/jab...

I agree with you about the growing conditions Myriam.
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Sep 21, 2015 12:35 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Thanks for the assistance and confirmation Janet! Smiling
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Sep 21, 2015 6:14 AM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
Agave sisalana has a sharp round brown thorn on the end of the leaf. Furcraea foetida does not.
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Sep 21, 2015 7:38 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Aha! That is even an extra confirmation!
I cropped out a couple of brown thorns on the end of the leaf..
Thumb of 2015-09-21/bonitin/4300c0 Thumb of 2015-09-21/bonitin/2d75e9
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Sep 21, 2015 1:39 PM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
I see regularly spaced marginal teeth on the photo above. That is not a character of Agave sisalana.

I'd say with a sharp thorn and marginal teeth on the leaves, you have an Agave. A species can't be determined yet.

Can you show a whole non-flowering plant, as well as pictures of the mature flowers.
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Sep 21, 2015 2:33 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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The marginal teeth you are seeing I think is another plant behind the Agave. I cropped off a section of the photo to show it better, and enlarged it.

Thumb of 2015-09-21/JRsbugs/5a080e

The brown tip is shown in a photo on a link I provided before, and it does match that.

http://keyserver.lucidcentral....

JRsbugs said:Furcraea foetida has teeth on the lower margins of the leaves, I can't see any on your plant Myriam. I can see what looks like a sharp brown tip on one of the leaves. The flower branches are short on yours and not well branched.

http://keyserver.lucidcentral....

Agave sisalana does look possible, there's a photo of the buds on this link which are maybe more advanced but similar.

http://keyserver.lucidcentral....

More photos, one showing the basal rosette which looks similar, although the leaves are longer..

http://www.virboga.de/Agave_si...
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Sep 21, 2015 6:31 PM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
Thanks Janet. That does look like Agave sisalana.
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Sep 21, 2015 11:43 PM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Can you show a whole non-flowering plant, as well as pictures of the mature flowers.

No, that is all I have and the only time I met one.
The toothed leaves are indeed from another plant growing behind it, the place was crowded!
Glad everyone agrees now! Smiling
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