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Oct 1, 2015 2:46 AM CST
|I don't manage to find the id of this one from the Botanical Garden of Rio de Janeiro..|
Oct 1, 2015 11:18 AM CST
|Vriesea hieroglyphica I think!|
Oct 1, 2015 11:30 AM CST
|Another which looks the same ..|
Oct 1, 2015 12:51 PM CST
|Yes, but I am missing the linear lines like in mine, maybe a crop will help..|
Oct 1, 2015 1:31 PM CST
|I know nothing about bromeliads, really, but the pattern looks similar to Vriesea gigantea 'Nova'.|
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Oct 1, 2015 1:40 PM CST
|They look to be very variable though Myriam, the location is given on the gbif site which can be seen if you zoom out of the map. The larger photo shows it doesn't have the linear pattern, and hieroglyphics are squiggly.|
I found a Russian site which led me to another, it looks more like it.
Vriesea gigantea .. if the photo is correct!
On the fcbs Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana fits but it's still variable, the straight species doesn't fit.
Oct 2, 2015 12:13 AM CST
|I still have so much to learn about this huge family, I'd never thought I had to search in the Vriesea genus, when there is a bloom it can give a clue, though still very difficult (for me at least) as members of the same genus can still look so different! |
It is definitely Vriesea gigantea!
I'm doubting between the one Danita suggests; Vriesea gigantea 'Nova', and Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana...they could be either fitting..
Aha! I found this one, it even has the subtle reddish speckles!
But look how they call it: Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana aka 'Nova'!!
Vriesea gigantea 'Nova' must be the synonym of Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana!
Thank you Danita and Janet! You both got it!
Oct 2, 2015 12:46 AM CST
|I now even found the ID of another one that is the same from 5 years ago, that had been waiting in its folder for so long to get identified! |
This one was growing in a friend's garden, but apart from the grass, and the fruit trees, everything else is nature planted..the fruit trees are covered with volunteer gorgeous bromeliads, tillandsias etc..
The liniar marks and hieroglyphics marks are much more subtle but definitely the same species!
Mother Nature's creation in that garden!
Oct 2, 2015 5:56 AM CST
|It appears that 'Nova' is a commercial name given for Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana. A 'clone' indicates it's from an offset grown from the straight species, it will probably be reproduced then from tissue culture.|
Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana aka 'Nova'. A spectacular clone of the original Brazilian species 'gigantea'
Your plant from 5 years ago does look the same, it seems the parent traits come out with some not being so variegated which in turn suggests some may be grown from seed. It often happens as growing from seed is cheaper but doesn't give the same results as tissue culture.
Scroll down the list and you will find Vriesea cultivars, use the 'find on this page' typing in nova, there's other crosses with Nova but Nova is said to be a cultivar. This brings into doubt what is said about Nova being a clone.
Nova has a lot of dark maroon/red on it (states only one seed parent so is seed grown with unknown second parent) , I would still say yours is more likely to be Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana.
There is also 'Green Nova' which your one from 5 years ago could be, it's 'Nova x Nova' ..
Oct 2, 2015 6:07 AM CST
| Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana taxonomic rank is species ..|
With a hint of red in yours it's possible there's been some other influence.
Oct 2, 2015 6:48 AM CST
|Thanks Janet for that in-depth research! |
I'll call both Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana, as the one of 5 years ago has not been planted it couldn't be a cultivar as that supposedly includes human interference by selection?
Oct 2, 2015 7:57 AM CST
|I think if it's growing naturally, some distance away from obvious human influence, then the species is more likely and I would also call them both Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana. Botanical gardens are more likely to have the species.|
Oct 5, 2015 1:59 PM CST
|Looks like Vriesea fenestralis.|
Oct 5, 2015 11:14 PM CST
|Vriesea fenestralis has a remarkable resemble too Dave, and it does occur in that area!|
But I still believe Vriesea gigantea var. seideliana (which is now a synonym of Vriesea gigantea) is the right one, the markings are finer, more dense and less pronounced than in Vriesea fenestralis.